Talk:The Hidden Fortress

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[edit] Tone...

This article has a serious problem: if it weren's a 50-year-old, black-and-white Japanese period drama, I would call some of this article (particularly "Analysis") fancruft. elvenscout742 02:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I seriously disagree.--24.215.147.153 07:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The second paragraph of the Analysis is somewhat opinionated, but it's difficult to analyze art without an opinion. Other than that I see nothing amiss. -Xastic 06:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

The article has a proper formal, if positive, critical tone. This is KUROSAWA, not a comic book, so this film's and his excellence should not be questioned. Oh, this is not a period drama. It is a story of people, which could be set in any time or background, as Star Wars shows.

Whether or not you, I or the world at large think Kurosawa is a genius is not the issue, whether or not you, I or the world at large think 'The Hidden Fortress' is a work of genius is not the issue. The issue is who can we quote saying saying that it is? To add a bald statement that it is a work of genius is to violate NPOV, to say George Lucas (for example) has been quoted as saying it is a work of genius is not. Also please sign your posts. Shimbo 20:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Shimbo. Whether the piece is by KUROSAWA or a comic, it doesn't alter wikipedia policies of No Original Research and WP:NPOV.

The orginal research on lucas's influence by kurosawa is from the interview on the criterion edition of the DVD, I will remove the no orginal research and cite the interview --Survivestyle5 21:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

On another point, isn't the big fight with with a spear, not a quarterstaff? Ashmoo 03:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I just finished watching it and that is one sharp quarterstaff. Changing it. Highlandlord 13:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the inconsistency of naming conventions in the article. Before, it used both "Rokurota Makabe" and "Makabe Rokurota," and both "Princess Yuki" and "Yukihime." I corrected them so they are all consistent with the names as written in the film's English subtitles. I also deleted the explanation of the meaning and usage of "-hime," which is no more relevant to this film than "uma" (horse), "kin" (gold), or any other Japanese word spoken by the actors of this film and translated into English in the subtitles. spacecat2 12:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

To be extraordinarily blunt for a moment, the entire Analysis section is a complete Akira Kurosawa blowjob, and completely uncited, at that. It should either get some citations quickly or be deleted. I'll give it a week. --Pathogen 23:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned that the trademark Star Wars horizontal wipe transition is also a prominent feature of Hidden Fortress and an obvious influence on the former. --Mpk138 20:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed odd claim

I removed the following. It says it's describing an unusual narrative structure. But it's actually describing utterly conventional storytelling ('character development follows introduction...' well obviously!). Maybe I'm missing something?

The Hidden Fortress uses a non-traditional narrative structure in which the audience is only gradually introduced to each character, and is often misdirected about the nature of those characters. This is an idea that becomes a recurring theme in the script, as character development follows introduction and characters strip away their disguises to reveal unexpected aspects of themselves.

Cop 633 21:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Influence

The influence section which details the extent of how much Hidden Fortress influenced George Lucas and Star Wars is unnecessary and further, does not cite it's references. This section should NOT be longer than the actual text that describes the subject of the main article. I am a Star Wars fan myself but this main article should not be used as a Star Wars fan article. I am shortening it unless there is contention to this. --Hokgwai 08:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)