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[edit] Archive

Previous discussions on this page have been archived

-- Sitearm | Talk 14:15, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

[edit] Retention of external link

  • A consensus has been reached to retain on The Hardy Boys one external link to the Unofficial Nancy Drew Home Page. Discussions are archived here and here. -- Sitearm | Talk 14:18, 2005 August 31 (UTC)

The link to Hardy Boys memoribillia also falls under the concensus of one link per site on main article pages because it is part of The Unofficial Hardy Boys Web Site. 69.205.9.31 18:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Took it out. Thanks! -- Sitearm | Talk 04:27, 2005 September 1 (UTC)

Looks like an additional consensus to keep the word "commercial" in the Bob Finnan link description, as on Nancy Drew. -- Sitearm | Talk 04:50, 2005 September 4 (UTC)

Agree with Sitearm and Dan East. "Commercial" is an accurate description for the Bob Finnan Hardy Boys link as a comparison with the other links will show. A related discussion is taking place at User_talk:Who#FWDixon.2FBob_Finnan.27s_Link_Spamming Solo1 22:33, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Migrating individual pages into one

Is there any support for rolling up all of these one line summaries into just one page?

lots of issues | leave me a message 13:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

You said: these one line summaries.
Which "one line summaries" you are referring to? In the The Hardy Boys article? Other? -- Sitearm | Talk 04:02, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
The 59 one line summaries. lots of issues | leave me a message 05:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Ahh... To recap: Suggestion is to take the current 59 separate articles, each with only 2 sentences or so, and combine them into one long page called (something like) "Summary of Hardy Boys book plotlines".
Support? lukewarm... is it worth the time to copy and paste 59 times, probably; is it worth the hassle of submitting 59 votes for delete, not so sure.
What is your take on this? -- Sitearm | Talk 11:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
We don't need to submit a vfd to merge. We could split the work. I'll do the first 30 if you do the rest? lots of issues | leave me a message 21:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism

The list of "major features" in the Casefiles section is copied word-for-word from my website [1] (excluding a couple of changes). I'm not really sure what should be done about this... --WillNL 17:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, whatever -- I'll leave it, and tell myself that it was my own contribution... --WillNL 17:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Hardy Boys Digests" or "Hardy Boys digests"?

The article repeatedly uses an uppercase D when referring to the "Hardy Boys Digests." This implies that "Hardy Boys Digests" is a proper noun -- the official title of the series (like "Hardy Boys Casefiles"). But "Digests" is not the official title; it's a descriptive term used by collectors. Since it's not actually a title, I don't think we should capitalize the "d" in "Hardy Boys Digests", just as we wouldn't capitalize the "p" in "Hardy Boys paperbacks" or the "b" in "Hardy Boys books". Rather, I think we should probably spell it "Hardy Boys digests". What do people think about this? --WillNL 17:47, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey why not!!? Smith Jones 18:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
OK by me too.MookiesDad 11:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grades

"The Clues Brothers books were aimed at younger readers, particularly in third and fourth grades." Not to sound stupid, but how old is "third and fourth grades"? Could somebody who knows please replace the wording with specific ages?Fuzzibloke 14:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Internal Links

A number of the internal links for this article (including, but not limited to, pretty much every title link and Frank and Joe) link to the 'wrong' pages...Frank, for instance, links to an Australian author. --Stretch 04:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No mention of the TV show?

If memory serves sometime in the late 90s their was a tv show based on the boys adventures. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.89.187.166 (talk) 08:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC).

You mean this? --CCFreak2K 06:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I have put some info about that series on THe Hardy Boys article. Did some time ago. WHLfan 18:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Casefiles incorrect links

Many (almost everyone) of the working links in section 'Casefiles', link to articles with similar names, but with no relevance to the hardy boys. Someone should suffix all those links with '(Hardy Boys)' 80.162.254.106 18:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Working on it--Entoaggie09 22:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
They all should be fixed, but it is something that needs to be checked up on later. --Entoaggie09 23:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardy Boys or The Hardy Boys?

Naming convention normally says not to use "The" in the title unless it's an official part of the name, like The Beatles, but I see "Hardy Boys" used a lot of times without "The" in front of it, so I don't think it's an official necessary part of the name. Should we move it? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 10:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


'The' IS an official part of the name. The only series that dosent have 'the' in it is: Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery series. But in the new series that came out last year they chagnd that to: Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery. So 'the' is an official part of the name. WHLfan 18:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK DVD?

Removed this:

Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew S1 is out on uk DVD 16TH JULY

It was right below the first paragraph. Someone more knowledgeable than myself on this should re-add it if and where appropriate. Also, you might want to add another line below the first paragraph to even out the spacing (I didn't re-add it myself because I didn't want to spam the edit history). --CCFreak2K 06:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Series in order of year

I noticed that series on this page go in order of date except for the Clues Brothers (1997-2000) which are before the Casefiles (1987-1998). The Crossover section is also out of order.
This is what order it is in now:
3 The (original) Hardy Boys Mystery Stories (1927–1979)
4 The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories ("Digests") (1979–2005)
5 The Clues Brothers (1997–2000)
6 The Hardy Boys Casefiles (1987–1998)
7 The Hardy Boys: Undercover Brothers (2005-Date)
7.1 Undercover Brothers Super Mysterys (2006-Date)
7.2 Undercover Brothers Graphic Novels (2005-Date)
8 Crossovers
8.1 Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller Series (1992–1993)
8.2 Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery Series (1988–1998)
8.3 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery Series (2007-Date)
8.4 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Be a Detective Mystery Stories (1984-1985)

This is what order I think it should be in:(Bold shows the sections that should be moved)
3 The (original) Hardy Boys Mystery Stories (1927–1979)
4 The Hardy Boys Mystery Stories ("Digests") (1979–2005)
5 The Hardy Boys Casefiles (1987–1998)
6 The Clues Brothers (1997–2000)
7 The Hardy Boys: Undercover Brothers (2005-Date)
7.1 Undercover Brothers Super Mysterys (2006-Date)
7.2 Undercover Brothers Graphic Novels (2005-Date)
8 Crossovers
8.1 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Be a Detective Mystery Stories (1984-1985)
8.2 Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys SuperMystery Series (1988–1998)
8.3 Hardy Boys and Tom Swift Ultra Thriller Series (1992–1993)
8.4 Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys Super Mystery Series (2007-Date)

Should this be changed? (WHLfan 16:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)).

That makes sense to me. Unless someone can provide any reasoning behind the current order I say change it. --Dan East 01:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of books with dates from List of Hardy Boys Original Titles

Reproducing content from List of Hardy Boys Original Titles which is being deleted for ease of reference, as I note this article doesn't contain the individual dates. Espresso Addict 23:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a list of Hardy Boys Books.

  1. The Tower Treasure 1927
  2. The House on the Cliff 1927
  3. The Secret of the Old Mill 1927
  4. The Missing Chums 1928
  5. Hunting for Hidden Gold 1928
  6. The Shore Road Mystery 1928
  7. The Secret of the Caves 1929
  8. The Mystery of Cabin Island 1929
  9. The Great Airport Mystery 1930
  10. What Happened at Midnight 1931
  11. While the Clock Ticked 1932
  12. Footprints under the Window 1933
  13. The Mark on the Door 1934
  14. The Hidden Harbor Mystery 1935
  15. The Sinister Sign Post 1936
  16. A Figure in Hiding 1937
  17. The Secret Warning 1938
  18. The Twisted Claw 1939
  19. The Disappearing Floor 1940
  20. The Mystery of the Flying Express 1941
  21. The Clue of the Broken Blade 1942
  22. The Flickering Torch Mystery 1943
  23. The Melted Coins 1944
  24. The Short-Wave Mystery 1945
  25. The Secret Panel 1946
  26. The Phantom Freighter 1947
  27. The Secret of Skull Mountain 1948
  28. The Sign of the Crooked Arrow 1949
  29. The Secret of the Lost Tunnel 1950
  30. The Wailing Siren Mystery 1951
  31. The Secret of Wildcat Swamp 1952
  32. The Crisscross Shadow 1953
  33. The Yellow Feather Mystery 1954
  34. The Hooded Hawk Mystery 1954
  35. The Clue in the Embers 1955
  36. The Secret of Pirate's Hill 1956
  37. The Ghost at Skeleton Rock 1957
  38. The Mystery at Devil's Paw 1959
  39. The Mystery of the Chinese Junk 1960
  40. Mystery of the Desert Giant 1961
  41. The Clue of the Screeching Owl 1962
  42. The Viking Symbol Mystery 1963
  43. The Mystery of the Aztec Warrior 1964
  44. The Haunted Fort 1965
  45. The Mystery of the Spiral Bridge 1966
  46. The Secret Agent on Flight 101 1967
  47. Mystery of the Whale Tattoo 1968
  48. The Arctic Patrol Mystery 1969
  49. The Bombay Boomerang 1970
  50. Danger on Vampire Trail 1971
  51. The Masked Monkey 1972
  52. The Shattered Helmet 1973
  53. The Clue of the Hissing Serpent 1974
  54. The Mysterious Caravan 1975
  55. The Witchmaster's Key 1976
  56. The Jungle Pyramid 1977
  57. The Firebird Rocket 1978
  58. The Sting of the Scorpion 1979

Unnumbered: Detective Handbook 1959

[edit] Source for book summaries

I found that someone had been, sadly, copy/pasting material into Wikipedia in violation of copyright - but it identified a resource that can be cited as a reference for such summaries that one *writes oneself*: [2]

Enjoy! --Alvestrand 21:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Noteable and curious

There was a novel where the two visit a war-torn country overseas and in one scene, one of them is forced to fire a machine gun -at- a pursuing group of enemies. Due to circumstances it is not known if anyone is hit. This, of course, causes intense emotional agony. Not only should this book be noted specifically, I'm wondering, personally, which novel it is because I want to re-read it also. -- Lots42 (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it a Casefiles novel? - WHLfan (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know it's not one of the original series, it's a paperback, produced late eighties, as far as I recall. Lots42 (talk) 03:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This book was called "Revenge of the Desert Phantom" book #84. Books #84 and #85 very much like the Casefiles until the style of writing was changed back to a normal Hardy Boys mystery when Minstrel began publishing the books. In #85, Frank and Joe didn't shoot guns although it was still like a Casefile book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.112.41 (talk) 10:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Character Infobox

I was wondering if someone could make a Infobox for the characters in The Hardy Boys, i tried but im not very good at makeing them.

i was thinking some thing like this:

  • Hardy Boys character
  • [image]
  • Gender:
  • Hometown:
  • Occupation:
  • Relatives:
  • First Appearance:

could someone make something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WHLfan (talkcontribs) 02:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armada Paperbacks

The numbering of titles published by Armada Paperbacks for the UK (non-American) market is different. Any idea why? RISadler (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

No one is quite sure, the Armada numbering (as well as the Collins numbering) seems rather random and it also lead to some strange continuity in the Armada series.
-WHLfan (talk) 01:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1959-71 revisions

I recently acquired three books of the series -- #12, #32, #34. I used to own #12 and #25 from around 1971-73, and a bit past that time I acquired #19. My cousin had #8 and #34, and I alternately borrowed and returned them.

When I re-read #12 and #34 upon reacquiring them in the last month, I wasn't sure I noticed any differences in #12, but while reading #34, I did get the feeling of differences, and I became certain of them toward the end of the book. Are there exact years for the rewrite of each book, and was the original withdrawn and become unavailable for reading at those times? I do feel that the #34 as I originally read it was superior.

And are there places on the Internet to download and read the books? I remain interested in reading the 53 books that I've never read, though of course, I prefer versions that don't have racial stereotypes. GBC (talk) 00:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

It's strange that you didn't notice any difference when reading #12 but did with #34, because the two versions are quite of #12 different, while #34 was only slightly changed. In the original Footprints under the Window published in 1933, Frank and Joe break up a gang smuggling illegal Chinese immigrants. In the revised 1965 version the boys stop a gang from stealing a top-secret instrument to be used for the US space program. Also the original was written by Leslie McFarlane and has 218 pages, while the revised text, by David Gramps, has only 177. And yes, most fans (including myself) consider the originals to be the superior.
As for your second question; no, you can not download the books of the Internet. All 58 (plus the revised Detective Handbook) revised original books are still available from Groset & Dunlap. And from 1999 to 2007 Applewood Books re-published the original unrevised books. Applewood planned to publish all 38 unrevised books but only got up to #17. Books 10 to 17, of the Applewood books, are still in print, while the first nine are not. For more information see Publication history of original Hardy Boys series at The Hardy Boys Wiki or ask on SkyWarp's Hardy Boys forum, Mr. Pizza's Forum.
WHLfan (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually, my original #12 is Huellan refugees, and the replacement is the same in that regard. Apparently, my original was a 1965 revision. But #34 is now, evidently to me, a revision made after my cousin got his #34. GBC (talk) 23:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How can this be incorporated into the article?

Here's a list from http: slash slash hardyboys dot bobfinnan dot com slash hbos dot htm#top that gives the issue years of original and revised.

1. 1927, 1959 The Tower Treasure
2. 1927, 1959 The House on the Cliff
3. 1927, 1962 The Secret of the Old Mill
4. 1928, 1962 The Missing Chums
5. 1928, 1963 Hunting for Hidden Gold
6. 1928, 1964 The Shore Road Mystery
7. 1929, 1964 The Secret of the Caves
8. 1929, 1966 The Mystery of Cabin Island
9. 1930, 1965 The Great Airport Mystery
10. 1931, 1967 What Happened at Midnight
11. 1932, 1962 While the Clock Ticked
12. 1933, 1965 Footprints under the Window
13. 1934, 1967 The Mark on the Door
14. 1935, 1961 The Hidden Harbor Mystery
15. 1936, 1968 The Sinister Sign Post
16. 1937, 1965 A Figure in Hiding
17. 1938, 1966 The Secret Warning
18. 1939, 1969 The Twisted Claw
19. 1940, 1964 The Disappearing Floor
20. 1941, 1970 The Mystery of the Flying Express|Mystery of the Flying Express
21. 1942, 1970 The Clue of the Broken Blade
22. 1943, 1971 The Flickering Torch Mystery
23. 1944, 1970 The Melted Coins
24. 1945, 1966 The Short-Wave Mystery
25. 1946, 1969 The Secret Panel
26. 1947, 1970 The Phantom Freighter
27. 1948, 1966 The Secret of Skull Mountain
28. 1949, 1970 The Sign of the Crooked Arrow
29. 1950, 1968 The Secret of the Lost Tunnel
30. 1951, 1968 The Wailing Siren Mystery
31. 1952, 1969 The Secret of Wildcat Swamp
32. 1953, 1969 The Crisscross Shadow
33. 1953, 1971 The Yellow Feather Mystery
34. 1954, 1971 The Hooded Hawk Mystery
35. 1955, 1972 The Clue in the Embers
36. 1956, 1972 The Secret of Pirates' Hill
37. 1957, 1966 The Ghost at Skeleton Rock
38. 1959, 1973 Mystery at Devil's Paw
39. 1960 The Mystery of the Chinese Junk
40. 1961 Mystery of the Desert Giant
41. 1962 The Clue of the Screeching Owl
42. 1963 The Viking Symbol Mystery
43. 1964 The Mystery of the Aztec Warrior
44. 1965 The Haunted Fort
45. 1966 The Mystery of the Spiral Bridge
46. 1967 The Secret Agent on Flight 101
47. 1968 Mystery of the Whale Tattoo
48. 1969 The Arctic Patrol Mystery
49. 1970 The Bombay Boomerang
50. 1971 Danger on Vampire Trail
51. 1972 The Masked Monkey
52. 1973 The Shattered Helmet
53. 1974 The Clue of the Hissing Serpent
54. 1975 The Mysterious Caravan
55. 1976 The Witchmaster's Key
56. 1977 The Jungle Pyramid
57. 1978 The Firebird Rocket
58. 1979 The Sting of the Scorpion

GBC (talk) 02:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I suggest doing it like this:
1. The Tower Treasure (1927, revised 1959)
2. The House on the Cliff (1927, 1959)
3. The Secret of the Old Mill (1927, 1962)

And so on. So basically we keep the same list that is already in the article but with the pub date(s) in (). WHLfan (talk) 03:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)