Talk:The Hamsters

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects. Click [show] for further details

This article is part of the Rock music WikiProject, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopaedic coverage of articles relating to rock music, and who are involved in developing and proposing standards for their content, presentation and other aspects. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale. ??? This article has not yet been assigned a rating on the Project's importance scale. This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard. This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page. Biography Portal B This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ] This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed biographical guide to musicians and musical groups on Wikipedia.

This article was nominated for deletion on 27 August 2007. The result of the discussion was speedy keep (bad faith nomination).

This article links to its creators web-site which contains libellous and defamotory material pertaining to Simon Cowell and a violation of his intellectual property rights.

You obviously haven't got to the class that delineates the differences between "libel", "defamation" and "common abuse". There are no violation of copyrights. Perhaps you should read up on MCPS. ---- WebHamster 00:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Bullshit. That is no reason to delete the Wiki article. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 22:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Having seen the site in qeustion i agree that (whether you like or dislike Simon Cowell is not the issue) an animation of someone urinating over a (copied) image of simon cowell is defamatory. In any event this artice or advert is about an unknown band and the BBC link is from a local (coventry) station and not the main BBC. In fact the bbc link highlights just how insignificant this band is on the British Music scene.

Given you and your friends are WP:SPAs that have been trolling this article and the users defending it, I do not believe you. While we're at it, don't lie on edit summaries. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 23:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Jéské, but an image of a cartoon character peeing on someone's head is not defamatory, neither is it libellous nor unlawful. It's perfectly legal. It would be another matter totally if it was an image photoshopped to appear like Cowell was peeing on someone. Do you really think the band would have put something like that up without taking legal advice first? ---- WebHamster 00:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

How exactly does a BBC article which begins They've been voted the best blues band in the UK and consistently sell out venues across the UK ... highlight the band isn't notable? In fact, it does quite the opposite. IrishGuy ^talk 23:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

well i trawled through whos who in music and who is and if you have access to musicians directory there is no mention whatsoever of them. In fact i could list about another 20 reputable directories and none of them include 'the hamsters'. Also checked every uk hit - but no- never heard of them. Also looking again at that BBC article it is confined to a small part of a small part of the Uk which in turn is a small part of the globe. Still so long as you and a handful of others think they are notable who is the rest of the world to argue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.179.222 (talk • contribs)

Please sign any comments you leave. The Hamsters aren't signed up to "UK Music Who's Who" because they don't need the work. You did realise that it's a promotions agency rather than an independent database didn't you? The book you linked to on Amazon wouldn't contain them either as that book is for classical musical artists, duh! And no they haven't had a chart hit. Since when has that been a sign of notability as opposed to marketability? In any case when was the last time you saw a blues band in the UK charts? All of the Hamsters catalogue is on Amazon and I have no idea why you would think they would be in some Canadian database. They are of course in Allmusic should you care to look. ---- WebHamster 00:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

How exactly do you expect to find information about a blues band in a book that is a classical music directory? Your actions here are obviously in violation of WP:POINT. Please stop. IrishGuy ^talk 00:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

No reliable sources are referenced to prove notability. The existing references only link to the band's own pages and the article sounds more like a promo or advert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.35.110 (talk) 18:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

This page is blatant spam for a group that nobody has either heard or cared about. It may also contain copyright violations in respect of the estate of the late Jimi Hendrix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.35.110 (talk) 18:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Again, bull. I note that all these IPs are coming from one university and making legal threats to other editors; I suggest you quit while you're where your at before I complain to your university about the legal threats. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 22:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

This group seems legitimate and the references include a BBC article review. A google search reveals a fair number of related hits. I don't see the copyright violation and disagree with the CSD request. My opinion is this belongs in AFD if you want it deleted. I'm not going to nominate it myself because it is not a clearcut violation of WP:MUSIC. Seems like an abuse of the CSD process. Pilotbob 22:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you not nomiate it - it's retaliation by a student union after an article was protected. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 22:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"it's retaliation by a student union" what student union? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.180.191 (talk) 23:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The troll Jeske has already stated the University of Plymouth Students union. I just love the way they (or maybe there is just one) gang up to defend their blatant abuse of anyone or anything that dares to challenge their trollish behaviour and plagarism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.179.222 (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright, here's what I'm going to say in response to this: stop trying to paint others with your brush. The only one trolling here is you, and I see that you're making ad hominem attacks against WebHamster. Stop trying to disrupt to make a point; you're only going to get yourself blocked, regardless of the checkuser result on you, these other IPs who have been bad-faith tagging the article, and Yiwentang. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 01:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Reading through your contribs, 84, I see absolutely NO contribs that are not trolling or a form thereof. Adding to CU. -Jéské ^{(Blah v^_^v)} 01:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protected for a week

Per Wikipedia:Protection policy; repeated abuse and bad faith edits from IP editors. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 01:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Real Names

I note that "WebHamster" has removed the real names of the musicians.

Unless this can be justified, I propose that they are re-inserted. The idea of any encyclopedia is to inform, not obfuscate the facts. Arjayay (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've removed Slim and Otis' real names on their request. Andy doesn't have any objection to his being used which is why he has his own article and the others don't. I've done so per WP:BLP#People who are relatively unknown. Actually, on this matter I'm on your side and I've tried to persuade them to let me write up more on them but they are intensely private people, especially Slim. --WebHamster 21:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The pseudonyms read like joke names, which makes the article sound like a bit of a piss-take. (Which is unfortunate as they are an outstanding band.) Would it be better to rephrase things and make the reason for the pseudonyms explicit in the article? eg: replace the sentence "The original line-up was Snail's-Pace Slim on guitar and vocals, Rev Otis Elevator on drums and Andy Farrell on bass" with something like "The band members are intensely private people and some frefer to use stage pseudonyms. In the original line-up, the guitarist and vocalist used the name 'Snail's-Pace Slim' and the drummer was known as 'Rev Otis Elevator': Andy Farrell (his real name) was the bassist." What do you think? Bluewave (talk) 19:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, Webhamster! I think the article looks much more encyclopedic now. Hope others agree! Bluewave (talk) 15:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)