Talk:The Gypsy Laddie

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[edit] Perplexion

I am perplexed by these references: TradIre01, MMacArthur01, LOlder01 (and others) within the article. What are these supposed to represent? As far as I can make out they are not record labels, and not serial numbers of records, so what are they? Ogg 11:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

"The first documented printing was in Tea Table Miscellany (1740). Lady Casslilles Lilt (aka Johnny Faa, the Gypsiey Laddie) is in the Skene Manuscripts which holds documents from the 17th century." I don't know the meaning of the phrase "documented printing". The book still exists, so it's not a documented printing. A better rendition would be like this: The earliest manuscript version was in the Skene manuscript (17th century), referred to as Lady Casslilles Lilt (aka Johnny Faa, the Gypsiey Laddie). The earliest known printed version is in Tea Table Miscellany (1740). Ogg 11:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

"Although the earliest version seem to be Scottish, several versions are found in the USA." The author of this sentence appears to be implying that if something is found in Scotland, it's unusual to find it in the USA. It would be better so write simply "Several versions have also been found in the USA." Ogg 11:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A joke?

I now discover that the abbreviations come from this webpage: www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexDisc.html The list must have been copied from that website and pasted in here. To remove the confusion of unexplained abbreviations I have re-written the list to give the album titles in full, correcting some errors as I went. The list is really over-kill as many of the artists were recorded in the field, without any biographical information gathered on them, and without recording any other songs by those artists. The profusion of "red links" has been removed, as most can never be fleshed out. Two more sections: - "The Broadsides" and "References" are still very obscure, as they refer to abbreviations and authors whose books are not specified. I feel very included to delete these sections altogether are put a link to a website instead, but I don't know the website where they were copied from. Is number 44 in the "References" section a joke? If it is, will we ever find out? Ogg 19:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mysterious references

Nobody has responded to my question above, so I have removed the mysterious references. Ogg 14:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

This merge was originally proposed by User:Ogg at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Roots music#Black Jack Davy/ Raggy Taggle Gypsies, and seconded by User:TimNelson (that's me). It's also been proposed that the article use the boilerplate at Template:Traditional Song boilerplate (just put {{subst:Template:Traditional Song boilerplate}} into the article and save it, and the next time you edit it, you will be able to put everything in the appropriate sections.

-- TimNelson 08:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

And again: There is a third article, covering this same song, The Whistling Gypsy. The three articles should be merged into one. I am not proposing to remove any information, simply to remove deplication and create some kind of uniformity with the other folk song article. Ogg 12:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


The Gypsy Laddie, The Raggy Taggle Gypsies and the Spailpín Fánach (esp the latter) are not for me the same songs at all... a similar theme, but melodies different. I don't want to impose my view... but the body of the article needs editing to remove/soften reference to Spailpín Fánach cckkab (talk) 13:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Melody counts for almost nothing in the history of folk song. It's the words that matter most. Ogg (talk) 09:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I've done the merge, Knotwilg, 13:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.35.195 (talk)

[edit] Obscure writing

I don't understand the "And yet..." in the History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.162.107.11 (talk) 16:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)