Talk:The Groke

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The Groke did sure scare the heck of me when I was a small child. This was prior to the animated series, but her apperance in the books was enough to scare me.

But before I read the Wikipedia articles, I'd always thought of the Groke as male. This is because Finnish does not have gender-separated pronouns, and because of the Groke's scary appearance, I thought she had to be male. JIP | Talk 19:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I skimmed through my Swedish editions of "Trollvinter" and "Pappan och havet", and she is clearly decribed as a "she" in the original Swedish. 惑乱 分からん 17:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Curiously, however, in Tove's very first short-lived Moomin comic series from 1947 (reprinted in Swedish, but, to my knowledge, not translated) the Groke is presented as a male, with male pronouns. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * (talk) 01:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Haha

She scared the heck out of me to. I wached the wideo while I was home alone (my mother was walking my sister to the kindergarden). When she came home I was lying on the sofa under a blanket... I did'nt really care about her gender, but I have always asumed her as a female.

[edit] Trauma :D

I saw the first episode where the groke appears... and never watched the moomins again... guess that means i missed the one where it turns out to be a nice evil freak monster thing... still scared the bugger out of me for years.

I think I saw that one. I remember Moominpapa talking about how she was just loney and in need of friendship, but all I could think was that maybe if she'd stop being so damned creepy and ominous all the time she'd get some friends. 144.124.16.28 20:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I am still scared of her to this very day, I think I may have screamed when I first saw her years ago. Definetly the scariest thing I have and probobly ever will see for the rest of my life.--TailsClock (talk) 23:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture?

The Moomin article contains a picture from the show. Anyone know if there's a chance to get a picture of The Groke up here, too? Much of the context is related to her appearance, after all. --84.133.198.60 12:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. Enjoy! :) --user:Qviri 23:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


I hate to be grouchy, but is there anywhere we could get a picture of the Groke from the books? The animated version is too cute and un-Groke-like :-) --Bonadea 12:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV?

It could just be me, but "something tremendously scary" sounds like a point of view. Should it be removed? (even though the groke was incredibly scary when I was small(er) :P)

Find someone who doesn't have the POV that the groke (or hufsa as i know her) isn't the scariest thing ever, and then we can discuss it. It might be POV, but when it's everyones POV it should be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.96.195 (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animated series

This section needs to specify which animated series is being discussed. --JBellis 16:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MÖRKÖ

Mörkö is the best Moomin character for me. I have a cup, a plate, a bowl and a soft toy with his/her picture. I am looking now for a Mörkö pijamas. I like the mystery around Mörkö when we cannot define his/her gender or if he/she is a friend or a villain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.79.195 (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, she's a she, and wants to get friends but everything she comes near freezes and dies.--Ifrit 16:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification?

I think Groke living in cavern and leaving a trail of ice (opposite of freezing only when she sits down) is only added in cartoon. BTW, Groke is archetype of fear, just as other Moomin characters are archetypes of alienness, femine, independence etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.83.241.4 (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)