Talk:The Greek (The Wire)
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[edit] Koutris Corrupt?
"He manages to avoid prosecution because a corrupt FBI agent named Koutris tips him off if anybody gets too close."
I'm not sure how to reword this, but my understanding was that Koutris was not corrupt, but using the Greek as an informant on national security matters in exchange for information that kept him out of prison (and therefore useful) Quadparty 21:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The help the Greek gave Koutris in Stray Rounds had nothing to do with anti-terrorism. The Greek was having trouble with a columbian rival so he set up the rival for a bust, and gave the bust to his friend. Anti-terrorist specialists don't chase drug smugglers, indicating that the two were friends long before Koutris' job was national security. When Frank agreed to testify against the Greek, Koutris tiped off the Greek, knowing that it would lead to Frank's murder. Koutris knowingly made himself an accomplice to murder of a witness. No legitimate federal agent would ever do that. From what was shown, Koutris is extremely corrupt.JeffStickney 22:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The news articles about the bust referred (cynically) to Columbian "narco-terrorists". "Extreme corruption" also suggests that, when, in the third season, Fitz is being extra helpful to Jimmy because of the way the FBI stuffed up that Koutris would have been dealt to by the FBI as corrupt (because they knew who he was, etc.). Homeland security people within the FBI basically turned a blind eye to the Greek's drug-running because he was useful on national security (even though the particular bust we see had nothing to do with national security - hence the reference to "narco-terrorism"). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quadparty (talk • contribs) 08:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Murderer
Who is the nimrod that keeps on deleting my label of the Greek as a "fictional murderer"? We saw him kill not one but two people in the Wire. He killed the sailor in the beginning of the season then he killed Frank Sabotka near the end of the series. If that is not enough, it is revealed that he has killed dozens of people that are a threat to his organization as seen when McNulty discovered tons of bodies with their heads and heads cut off. Read the profile. It's there.
- Please refrain from personal attacks. Spiros killed Sam (the sailer who murdered the girls) and we don't see who killed Sobotka on screen. The Greek is a reprehensible criminal but on screen he is not an actual murderer so the category is not appropriate.--Opark 77 (talk) 09:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, under Maryland law the Greek is a murderer, as are Avon, Stringer and Prop Joe. They may not be triggermen, but in the case of murder-for-hire, if you order the hit you are a murderer, and can receive the death penalty. "Under Maryland law, except in murder-for-hire cases, only those individuals found guilty of first degree murder as a principal in the first degree may be sentenced to death." [1]"Maryland's "murder for hire" aggravating circumstance reads as follows: "The defendant engaged or employed another person to commit the murder and the murder was committed pursuant to an agreement or contract for remuneration or the promise of remuneration." [2] It may take less to be convicted of murder. The quotes are death penalty circumstances. JeffStickney (talk) 13:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thats interesting thank you Jeff. Refresh my memory - who did Proposition Joe have murdered?--Opark 77 (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- The New York drug dealers ("Wal Mart") who were trying to set up shop in Baltimore. That may be a little too indirect though, because the co-op went through Joe to hire Marlo to hire Chris and Snoop.JeffStickney (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- I wonder how easy it is to prove this in criminal organizations rather than more straightforward murder for hire cases too. Stringer organizing the murder of D'Angelo seems more like murder for hire than say The Greek ordering the death of Sam and not directly rewarding his people for carrying it out.--Opark 77 (talk) 17:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- The New York drug dealers ("Wal Mart") who were trying to set up shop in Baltimore. That may be a little too indirect though, because the co-op went through Joe to hire Marlo to hire Chris and Snoop.JeffStickney (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thats interesting thank you Jeff. Refresh my memory - who did Proposition Joe have murdered?--Opark 77 (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, under Maryland law the Greek is a murderer, as are Avon, Stringer and Prop Joe. They may not be triggermen, but in the case of murder-for-hire, if you order the hit you are a murderer, and can receive the death penalty. "Under Maryland law, except in murder-for-hire cases, only those individuals found guilty of first degree murder as a principal in the first degree may be sentenced to death." [1]"Maryland's "murder for hire" aggravating circumstance reads as follows: "The defendant engaged or employed another person to commit the murder and the murder was committed pursuant to an agreement or contract for remuneration or the promise of remuneration." [2] It may take less to be convicted of murder. The quotes are death penalty circumstances. JeffStickney (talk) 13:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
If we follow your reasoning to its conclusion, it would say that Hitler is not a mass murderer. Hitler never directly ran up and shot someone. Nevertheless, he ORDERED the Holocaust. You willing to go that far, Opark? User talk:Lecreuset87
- Hitler was responsible for genocide. That does not equate to the leader of a criminal organization ordering several murders and is far from a logical step. Go ahead and re-add the category; I have no objection now that Jeff has made a rational clarification. Personally while I see The Greek as morally reprehensible and deserving of severe punishment for his crimes I don't think of him as a murderer - that said I'm willing to accept that my opinion is not in line with consensus and let the edit go ahead.--Opark 77 (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Not of Greek Origin?
"Despite his moniker, he reveals that he is not of Greek origins."
Am I alone in thinking The Greek was being facetious when he made the remark that he was not Greek? I thought is was a joking reference to his ability to mask his identity, and since he was about to leave the country with a false passport, said passport was no doubt not Greek, hence the remark. My take. . . .Astrobopper (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
