Talk:The Grateful Dead Movie

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Contents 1 To Merge or Not to Merge -- the Soundtrack Article 2 Cast section 3 Song List and DVD version 3.1 Song List (Disc 1) 3.2 Bonus Songs (Disc 2)

[edit] To Merge or Not to Merge -- the Soundtrack Article

I think it would be better to leave The Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack as a separate article. A lot of albums by the Dead or by other major bands have their own separate article. Obviously this one's closely associated with the movie, but that doesn't mean it should be merged. The Soundtrack article is not that short, and it could be made longer if someone wanted to expand it. Also, the list of tracks is way different (i.e. longer) than the list of songs that are in the movie. So, the Soundtrack stands on its own as a separate article. Meanwhile, the article about The Grateful Dead Movie is just a starter article. There's a lot more that can be said about the movie, and a lot of sources that can be referenced. If you look at that Crutchfield Advisor article in the external links, that'll give you some idea of what the Movie article potentially could be like. In other words, the Movie article should be expanded and improved, but with the main focus being on the movie itself, not the DVD or the CD. So, I'm thinking separate articles is the way to go. -- Mudwater 14:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, that makes sense. I just thought I'd propose the merge because maybe one longer article is preferable to two scant ones with repetition. Interestingly there is a proposal right now to split up Rattle and Hum into two seperate articles -- in that case the album is (I think) better known than the film (although it is shorter and contains fewer songs).Spebudmak 01:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. Since no one else has said anything about this, I'm going to go ahead and remove the merge suggestion from the articles. -- Mudwater 23:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cast section

A cast section should be added to this article. --Nehrams2020 03:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've added a cast section. -- Mudwater 03:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Song List and DVD version

I have not seen the original movie, but own the DVD edition, which has a more extensive song list than the one currently in the article. Should this be added to the article or should there be a separate article about the DVD like there is for the CD soundtrack? Here is the songlist from the booklet accompanying the DVD:

[edit] Song List (Disc 1)

U.S. Blues
One More Saturday Night
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Truckin'
Eyes Of The World
Sugar Magnolia
Playing In The Band
Stella Blue
Casey Jones
He's Gone
Morning Dew
Johnny B. Goode
It Must Have Been The Roses

[edit] Bonus Songs (Disc 2)

Uncle John's Band
Sugaree
The Other One > Spanish Jam >
Mind Left Body Jam >
The Other One
Scarlet Begonias
China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider
Dark Star
Weather Report Suite

In addition to these songs there are other songs played partially during scenes not from the concerts, like St. Stephen, Ripple and Golden Road To Unlimited Devotion
Weedar 07:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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The content of the first disc of the DVD is exactly the same as the theatrical release of the movie. The track list above for the first disc is the same as the one currently in the article, except that it also has "It Must Have Been the Roses" at the end. As you probably noticed, that's the closing title music, which was not recorded at the October 1974 Winterland shows, but is from the Jerry Garcia album Reflections.

In my opinion it would be fine to mention the "Roses" closing title song, and also the other non-concert songs, parts of which are played during the movie, as you say. If those are added to the article though it should somehow be clear which songs are from the concerts, which is the closing title music, and which have only short sections played. I also think it would be fine to list the DVD "bonus material" songs. I'm thinking that those could be added to the existing section about the DVD.

Creating a new article about the DVD itself might be going too far. The Soundtrack album has its own article because (1) it has way, way more material than the movie, and (2) albums for major, popular groups like the Dead are all notable enough to have their own articles. (See "To merge or not to merge" above.) I'm thinking that the DVD can be covered in the main movie article, so I'm voting against having a separate article for that, especially if it's just to list the extra songs. On the other hand, it would be possible to write a fairly substantial article about the DVD itself, with a lot of technical details about how it was created, so, at the risk of waffling, I wouldn't be totally opposed to it either.

The more people who join in this discussion the better. More opinions make it easier to form a consensus. -- Mudwater 11:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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I agree with your comment, especially about specifying which songs are complete and which are from the concerts

and which are not. As I just watched the DVD again today I recall "Roses" at the end of the main movie, it would be nice to list what sources the non-concert songs are from, for example it sounds like the "Golden Road" is the album version. Also, your point about not creating a separate article for the DVD is valid, at least until we've assembled enough information to really warrant a separate article. There is alot of information in the interviews at The saga of The Grateful Dead Movie that would be interesting for a future article about the DVD release. Unless someone else disagrees I'll add the DVD song list to the main article within a month. Weedar 00:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the closing titles for the movie, you'll see a list of all the songs in the film. If you take out the songs from the concert and the closing title song — in other words, take out the ones in "Song List (Disc 1)" above — you'll have a list of the "incidental" songs, parts of which are played during the movie. I just did that and came up with this list: "Late for Supper", "Eep Hour", "The Wheel", "St. Stephen", "Ripple", "The Golden Road", and "Beat It On Down the Line". (As far as I can tell, they're all versions from Grateful Dead or Jerry Garcia albums.) -- Mudwater 02:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

"The Golden Road" and "Beat It On Down the Line" is from their first self-titled album, "Ripple" is from American Beauty, "St.Stephen" is from Live/Dead I think (or is it the Aoxomoxoa-version?), while "Late for Supper" and "Eep Hour" is from Garcia's "Garcia"-album from 1972. I have no idea where "The Wheel" is from, though I suppose it is also on the Garcia-album. I'll add these (and the bonus songs) to the article if noone else has a good reason not to. Weedar 08:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)