Talk:The Grace (band)

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[edit] A capella

Are we sure they are really an a capella group or just group consisting of singers? - chsf 2006/02/24, 19:37 (UTC)

They are promoted as an a cappella group. Google: TSZX Google: CSJH. In some pages they say though that they are also an R&B and Pop group. Monni 15:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Well TVXQ isn't really an a capella group either. They were just marketed that way. Like TVXQ, they're an a capella group by name only. mirageinred 22:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

In response to mirageinred, TVXQ is an acapella dance group. TZXQ, however, focuses more on r&b and pop, and they lack skill in acapella. 202.81.177.230 14:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)TVfXQ_luvah

[edit] Discography

Is there any way this can be cleaned up? I mean, at this point, it's more than half the article. SKS2K6 05:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Monni 05:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha...I'm just wondering how. And I'm not a fan, so I don't know which releases came when, and how popular they were, and blahblahblah. SKS2K6 06:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I would split out whole discography as another page or possibly split out main releases as individual pages (combining different language releases together). I usually check both YesAsia and Yahoo Music Korea for release times. YesAsia is normally few days behind because they are in Hong Kong. Monni 12:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Does anyone know why they became "TSZX The Grace"? SKS2K6 19:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks a lot like marketing trick... "The Grace" is appended even to every single member pseudonym. Monni 19:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the name of the article should be changed to 'CSJH the Grace' since CSJH is the romanization of the Korean pronunciation and this group originated from Korea WNDragonLord 18:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Seconded; I will move the page in about a week and leave a redirect from the current title, if no one else opposes it with a good reason. ― blue-kun 02:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
TSZX the Grace is the group's official name. There's no reason to change it to CSJH, nor should it be done. SKS2K6 20:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
If you would like the official name to be the page title, it should be just “The Grace”, which is the name used consistently in the English section of their official website.  If you are suggesting that the page be moved to The Grace (which is currently half-occupied and redirects to The Grace (song)) and redirects be set up from both CSJH the Grace and TSZX the Grace, I believe that's fine (and is in fact probably the best solution); however, I cannot agree to the assertion that TSZX the Grace is the official name of the group. ― blue-kun 20:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
To further clarify: Their Korean name remains 천상지희 the Grace, and I believe Chinese and Japanese names will probably keep “Tiān Shàng Zhì Xǐ” and “Tenjōchiki” in it as well.  It is their English name that is spelled out just as The Grace; since en.wikipedia.org caters to English speakers, it is probably the best idea to align with their official English name. ― blue-kun 21:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
That's the first time I've seen it, but I guess that's what SM is going for. The Grace it is...as long as someone can get an admin to do it.SKS2K6 01:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the following changes:

  • Moved this article to The Grace (band); the original name redirects to the new name as a result.
  • The Grace is now a disambiguation page between The Grace (band) (this article) and The Grace (song) (which The Grace used to redirect to).
  • Edited this article to reflect the name change; most significant changes were made to the introductory section.

I hope I didn't leave any cruft behind…. ― blue-kun 06:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Acapella

Is that part necessary? All it says is that the group sang this songs acapella. Since none of them (except for "Faith", I suppose) have been released, I find it somewhat pointless. Why? It may be relevant, since they are officially an acapella group, but these were just one-offs (I'm assuming), and they have no references. It's better to say that they have performed popular English hits on certain shows or something, than to just list them all like this. SKS2K6 04:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I would say that this kind of information should be included in article body instead. Monni 05:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

I added them, mostly for my own reference. There's a lot of information (finally); unfortunately, it reads like a fansite bio page. I'm so hoping that it wasn't stolen.... SKS2K6 19:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

No, this wasn't stolen. I wrote most of it, even though it wasn't me who uploaded it. 04:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

To whoever did the work: good job. As for my edits, I took out the stuff for each member, as it's already mentioned almost word for word in the main article. I don't think the pictures will be acceptable, though, cuz they're not album covers (which is how they're tagged). They're really not fair use, and for an article like this, free is better. I made it a bit more neutral too. Also, references = SPECIFIC references. daum.net is not a reference, just like how yahoo.com isn't. If you need examples, check Fly to the Sky, as iloveayu did a good job there. SKS2K6 07:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Those member pictures were taken from articles, but I wasn't sure how to label then. The Sweet Flower description was in the official website during the single release, but it was taken out after juicy LOVE was released (this is also mentioned in TSZX page at Wiki.theppn). The singles being sold out at a-nation was mentioned by one of the girls in their Japanese official diary. And the My Everything description ("skillful vocals...") was found in this article: http://news.media.daum.net/entertain/music/200610/30/joynews24/v14534621.html . Mattlevi17:00, November 29 2006 (UTC)
That's exactly it. They're copyrighted. For pictures on these articles (like, on famous people), the only real pictures that are acceptable are fan-taken pictures that someone has put up publicly, like on flickr.com, or professional pictures that have been released onto the public domain (see Tyra Banks).. Album covers, magazine covers, and screenshots should only be done to demonstrate a certain aspect. Like, for example, with the a-nation thing, if a fan took a picture there, or if you can take a screenshot of the performance on digital video, than yeah. But right now, all the pictures are of them just standing and posing, and if you look at the picture criteria on wikipedia, that's actually not acceptable (which is why articles like Jewelry (group) and Shoo (singer) have no pictures right now). And it doesn't matter if someone else wrote it if it seems like a PR piece. You can put that in the article, but it may be either taken out, or balanced with criticism. That's basically how wikipedia wants to be: neutral. For example, Mariah Carey talks about the range of her voice, but also talks about how critics have mentioned that it's a voice with no passion.... Neutrality is key. SKS2K6 17:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking

It isn't necessary to have so many pictures. Am I the only one who thinks there's an image-overload on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.77.168 (talk • contribs)

Nah... There is a few too many there... Monni 20:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Almost all of these pictures fail under Wikipedia's image guidelines anyway. SKS2K6 21:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Images deleted. We don't need that many. mirageinred 23:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Most of the images will be soon deleted. They are either lacking a fair use rationale, source or some other important piece of information. Even with the missing information added, most are still used as only decorative use so they still fail WP:FUC. Basically, if anyone wants an image for this page try finding a free image on flickr. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band name

Although SM sometimes call the group just "The Grace", their oficial name is still TSZX The Grace. So naming the article just "The Grace" is wrong. I also think such a change should've been discussed before being done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.50.156.204 (talk) 23:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Please see the “Name” section above. ― blue-kun 18:27, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Tszxthegrace.jpg

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BetacommandBot 20:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)