Talk:The Goddamned Dutch

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[edit] Paddy bashing

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was not copied from Wikipeida. The text indulges in Paddy-bashing. You may not like it, but there it is. Nobody is authorised to sanitise history. If there is evidence that the 1927 printed version does not mock the Irish, I would like to see the evidence. Ogg (talk) 23:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Ogg, I'd be the last person suspected of trying to sanitize history, but the link you provide gives the lyric as "The Rotterdam Dutch and the goddamned Dutch." And then goes on to say "But they're a damn site better; Than the goddamned Dutch". I've sung these lyrics many times. I ask why the reference back to the goddamned Dutch in the second verse if it didn't exist in the original. The problem with these folk songs, and especially drinking songs, is that they get passed on and mutate into different versions until they become written down. I hold that wikipedia should include the lyric "the goddamned Dutch" if only because the article is titled that, regardless of what derivations may have came from that lyric (i.e. the replacement of Irish) or if that line is a derivation of another.
Basically that is my argument. Mayhaps the page should be retitled the Souse Family, as that seems to be another title for the song. I'm no studier of drinking songs, but close to it. In the coming weeks I'll see if I can't dig out a reference from a printed work on the subject to derive some conclusion.Ask D.N.A.- Peter Napkin (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Further, I would like to point out that "the Irish" ruins the pun which was the probable reason the lyric was originally "the goddamned dutch"Ask D.N.A.- Peter Napkin (talk) 02:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what the phrase "The Original" means in this context. Were you present when the song was first song? Did you write it? We can only go by three things - the earliest printed (or recorded) versions - the most popular versions, and the most coherent version. We are not entitled to make existing versions more coherent in the name of improving "The Original". Ogg (talk) 05:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)