Talk:The Fragile

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Scigatt 08:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC) Well, to me, this article is obviously not NPOV.

  • Huh? Then why did you put a POV tag on it? I think you mean POV, not NPOV, in your above statement. Please provide some examples, as I can't find any POV material in this article. I'll remove the tag in seven days unless anyone objects. --TonySt 14:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

""The Fragile" is Reznor's most sophisticated work, requiring the listener to consider the entire album instead of being a collection of singles and b-sides. Several tracks contain no vocals whatsoever, but are instead symphonic soundscapes that flow in and out of each other, like streaking, mixed paints on a canvas.

That is not to say that Reznor's style "goes soft" on this album. This is still adolescent angst at its best, filled with nihilistic disappointment, rage, and sorrow. The difference is that this album is, in many ways, the most richly detailed and beautiful mosaic for such subject matter. There are more pauses amidst the noise in this album, and the artist's struggles seem that much more painfully rendered here."

  • just one man's opinion, but the preceding two paragraphs sound more like a album review than an encyclopedic entry, lending itself more to a POV than a critical analysis. --anon
    • Good point. Let me see if I can clean up the article... --TonySt 01:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] digipack

should it be mentioned that it's a nice double digipack? Kansaikiwi 06:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] quotations

There's too many quotes in the beginning of this article. I think one or both ought to be removed. --Raid0422 20:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Hidden" track

Between tracks 4+5 on the 2nd disc, Reznor can be heard faintly saying something like I'm getting closer/I'm getting closer all the time as the clock on my CD player ticks back a minus number (approx. 15 seconds). You need to start playing from the start of track 4, and not skip back from track 5. Lugnuts 11:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album Cover Meaning?

Are there any news stories out there about the cover art? The top portion looks like a pixelized waterfall, and I am very curious of to the origin and meaning. Steveprutz 20:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

What I see on the cover is a hand holding a gun and pointing at the head (and a red background). the hand is on the left and i can see blurred fingers. the head is on the right and there is a blurred eye under the nin logo... --79.184.167.226 17:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fragile (The Song)

I have a song called The Fragile (Unplugged) in my iTunes, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if this is a cover of the song, or if Trent Reznor actually did do an acoustic version of The Fragile.

 This is probably the "Still" version of "The Fragile". See Still_(Nine_Inch_Nails_album). Steveprutz 16:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vinyl vs CD

I think a discussion about the vinyl and CD editions is warranted; I.E. how songs are edited, and the different track listings.

yes! please someone who has this knowledge do this, i've dont what i was able, but there is more info to be added on extended/alt versions of songs on the vinyl pressing. --AlexOvShaolin 22:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

1. The History section needs a rewrite and much better sourcing. The opening part reads, "The album was not as much of a commercial success as The Downward Spiral, most likely accredited to Interscope Records' lack of promotion of the album, and the lack of a stand-out single. Despite a strong start at #1 on the Billboard Top 10, the album quickly slipped out of the Billboard Top 10 only a week after its release, and Reznor was forced to provide funding for the subsequent North American tour out of his own pocket.[1]" A few problems. The source for this cannot be found. There especially needs to be a reliable source for the opening statement here, where it claims the album was not a commercial success compared to TDS and that this is likely due to poor promotion by the record label.

The last three sentences of this section, which are all stand-alone paragraphs, read more like a collection of facts than they do about the history of the album. They need to be distributed more appropriately into the article.

2. The Critical Response section has no sources and I'm puzzled as to why the review from Pitchfork was taken with such seriousness as to warrant mention in the article, much less in the side box with the rest of the reviews. I think, if we're going to use a variety of reviews that include both praise and criticism, we might want to use a better, more professionally done review than the review from Pitchfork, as well as include quotes from the reviewers to supplement the section.

3. Many songs from this album have been used in various movies, and TV shows, including 300, Man on Fire, Final Destination, CSI, etc. A section could be made to reflect this and other uses of songs from this album in popular culture, including any covers.

4. The Track Listing section and "The New Flesh" sections need sources.

5. Could benefit from a few more fair use images. --Ubiq (talk) 17:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A continuation to The Downward Sprial?

Alot of people say that it isn't a continuation, People outside Wikipedia in forums like Songmeanings.comsongmeanings say that The Fragile is it's own album and not a continuation. This continuation thing isn't really a fact, but a theory of what Trent Reznor thinks it is. Should that be taken off or left? A theory isn't a fact is it? --Nightingale12 (talk) 07:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry, delete that last comment.

That was refering to the time before it was edited, my bad. delete this comment and the other one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightingale12 (talk • contribs) 07:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)