Talk:The Fields of Athenry

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[edit] Copyright

If the song was written n the 1980s isn't it copyrighted? -R. fiend 04:44, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The music is copyrighted. The lyrics are from a ballad well over a hundred years old. -Mask 20:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
The article clearly states twice that the words and the lyrics were written in the 1980s. If this is incorrect, the article needs to change. If this is correct, the lyrics need to go unless we can contact the copyright holder and get permission. Marnanel 12:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I left the relevent links on your talk page. The St. John version is based on an 1800's folk song. -Mask? 18:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Botany Bay

I removed the mention of Tasmania. The lyrics clearly reference the penal colony in Botany Bay, not Tasmania.

You are right --V7ndotcom elursrebmem 11:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ran/cut me down

I have sung this song/heard this song sung many times, so when I saw "ran me down" it surprised me. Looking on other various sites, the lyrics are usually referred to as "cut me down." However, I cannot find an extremely reputable source for this reference. Here are some sites that write it as "cut me down": The most reputable is DigiTrad, which also includes a MIDI of the song: here are the lyrics and related information. Other sites also reference "cut me down." [1] [2] [3] I'd like to see some sources for "ran me down" before changing it back.

Yizzerin 05:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Original recording

This article states that the song "was first recorded by Irish ballad singer Paddy Reilly", but Pete St. John's website states "I wrote the Fields of Athenry in the middle 1970's and it was finally recorded and released in 1979 by Danny Doyle and became a top 10 hit and the rest is history!" Mikecron 00:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Popular versions

"The song has been recorded by many Irish artists such as Paddy Reilly, Frank Patterson, Ronan Tynan, Brush Shiels, James Galway, and The Dropkick Murphys."

The Dropkick Murphys are not an Irish band - edited accordingly. Lwdjaymac 07:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Punk" version

The version of the song being referenced here was sung by the band "Dropkick Murphys" on their "Blackout" album, not No Use For a Name...

There is a song by No Use for a Name called "Fields of Agony". I wonder if that's what is being talked about.

[edit] IRA

Untill a citation is given, I will remove this statementSuperdude99 11:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "A Father's Advice"

I've always wondered what Ranger's fans sing to this tune. I've been unable to find a listing of the words anywhere. There is a category for Rangers songs, it'd be interesting to see the words of "A Father's Advice" added. Camillus (talk) 12:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually - hold that result, I just found it here.

404 Not Found...

This link works. [4] Jess Cully 12:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famine

Do you think it's accurate to say it's "about the Famine"? Although it's the timeframe, I would think it's more of a reflection of Transportation to Australia than anything else. --Mike Searson 01:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The lyrics say that "Michael" is being transported because he "stole Trevelyan's corn" that his "son might see the morn". So yes, it's about transportation, but he's being transported for a crime he committed because of the famine, so it's accurate to say the song is about the famine. Fumblebruschi (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Fields of Anfield Road

I don't think it's entirely right to redirect Fields of Anfield Road here to Fields of Athenry. They have the same tune but they are different songs, with different meanings, histories and significances. As a Liverpool fan I can attest that it's one of our most important songs (up there with You'll Never Walk Alone) and I think it deserves a little article of its own. I only post here because I'm not sure how to create an article when the new article's title is a redirect to something else... K. Lásztocska 02:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't be mentioned on this page at all. Every Irish Person and all the sports teams who sing the original hate the version sang by Liverpool and it's god awful. There should be no mention of it in relation to this song. Liverpool started singing it when they played Celtic in the UEFA Cup and think because they sang You'll Never Walk Alone together in Parkhead that they could rip off this song as well with no thought to what the song meant and why the teams who sing it actually sing it. All have connections with Ireland and the likes of London Irish and Celtic were formed by people who had to leave or forcibly removed Ireland during and after the Famine. Liverpool F.C. (although the city like London, Manchester, Birmingham etc have a strong Irish diaspora) have no background to the events or people who relate to the original.
Just a little background and one of the reasons why I hate the Liverpool version and why it is mentioned on this page! FearSneachta (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Your personal feelings do not matter here; only rules and guidelines (see original research, for example). Your hatred of said song is not a good enough reason to have the sentence removed from this page. ~ smb 18:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I really must come in to support and ehco the sentiments of FearSneachta. This "Liverpool" version has no right to be included in this article. For staters you will notice it is named "The Fields of Anfield Road" and has it's own article. Secondly, what if I were to go into "When The Saints Go Marching In" article and mention all the teams that sing "When The Reds/Blues/Greens/Whites/Yellows/ etc Go Marching In," what would happen then? You know fine well what would happen - they would be all removed, and rightly so, the same as this Liverpool Football song should be removed from this article. Pat Pending (talk) 19:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You have not advanced a sound argument for the removal of sourced material from this page. See When Johnny Comes Marching Home. It is perfectly acceptable to include sections like Other versions or Popular culture. In this case, WJCMH spawns several other versions including The Ants Go Marching One By One (the theme for various footballs songs). The first page links the second and vice versa. The Battle Hymn of the Republic has a section named In sports which includes information on Glory Glory Man United. Again, both pages link each other.
On this page, the The Fields of Anfield Road information fits in well under Sporting anthem. Moreover, if somebody wanted to expand on the IRA version, you will not be able to prevent them, providing their addition is sourced. This is Wikipedia after all, not MySpace. ~ smb 20:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
In addition, so many editors were adding "When The Reds/Blues/Greens/Whites Go Marching In," they created a new page: When The Saints Go Marching In (sport) ~ smb 20:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I think the fact that The Fields of Anfield Road already has it's own article, is a sound enough argument in itself, and with all due respect, it is not a "Sporting Anthem" it's a Liverpool F.C. song - ever heard Leeds singing "The Fields Of Elland Road"? Pat Pending (talk) 21:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
We can easy change the section name to In sports, as per The Battle Hymn of the Republic and Glory Glory Man United. But you can't remove sourced information simply because you don't like it. ~ smb 22:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
What sourced information? Pat Pending (talk) 22:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see footnote number four: Story of a Song, Irish Independent, 30 September, 2006
I have already, it's an article about the Irish Independent, there is No Source regarding The Fields Of Anfield Road. Pat Pending (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You are in error. The Irish Independent is merely the paper in which a story appeared. There is no provision that a source must be made freely available on the Internet. If you want verification, then try a LexisNexi search. ~ smb 23:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
No, I want it linked as per WP:verifiable sources or removed. Thanks. Pat Pending (talk) 23:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
WP:VERIFIABILITY does not require that a source be linked directly. WP:PROVEIT states that...
It is not necessary that the source be findable instantly by any reader, merely that it be demonstrably findable (for instance, by library or archive request...)
I was helpful enough to point you directly at the source, and I suggested you might try LexisNexis if you want to read the article yourself. So let me repeat, there is no stipulated condition that I provide you with a free copy of said piece. Understand?
WP:PROVEIT goes on to say...
If a reliable source is not readily available (e.g., freely accessible online), the editor inserting or restoring the challenged material should be able to provide page numbers and/or direct quotes from the original text supporting the material, upon request. (emphasis mine)
This is easy because I have access to the aforementioned article. It would take me less than two minutes to put it in quotes. However, I am not compelled to do this, simply because the subject matter itself is not in dispute, since you implicitly acknowledge that The Fields of Anfield Road is sung by Liverpool supporters after being adapted from The Fields of Athenry. If you are not aware of this fact, then please make it clear in your next reply. ~ smb 00:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Challenged material

Under Sporting anthem, it reads...

The Fields of Anfield Road is sung by Liverpool supporters to the same tune, but with suitably adapted lyrics referencing their history and stadium.

User:Pat Pending, can you please state clearly so as to avoid any misunderstanding, exactly *what part* of this statement you are challenging. Thankyou. ~ smb 22:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trevalyn's corn

Isn't this a reference to attacks on food convoys and grain ships during the famine years? (83.13.39.98 (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC))