Talk:The Dagda
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In the version I read, Óengus tricked Elcmar out of Brug na Bóinne (with the Daghda's active connivance!). The story is the "Wooing of Étáin": vide hic. Will adjust text accordingly. QuartierLatin1968 Image:Flag of Anarcho syndicalism.svg
[edit] Accuracy
I think that because of the fact that Celtic mythology is so inconsistent, it should be addressed here. Does anyone disagree? The wife of The Dagda, for example, is not always said to be Breg. In fact, the article suggests that he took the Mórrígan as a lover, but most say the Mórrígan was his wife. A good example can be found at Encyclopedia Mythica. I am by no means a myth expert and it wouldn't be appropriate for me to tackle the article, but I'd like to see it built onto properly if there are any takers. I can work on the grammar if anyone would be willing to take the notes. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The timing suggested in the article makes no sense. It says that the Dagda ruled Ireland before dying at the Brú na Bóinne, finally succumbing to a wound inflicted by Cethlenn during the first battle of Magh Tuiredh. This seems to imply that he died before the second battle of Magh Tuiredh, but that isn't possible because, as this article also says, Prior to the battle with the Fomorians (Which is the second battle of Magh Tuiredh), he coupled with the goddess of war, the Morrigan, on Samhain in exchange for a plan of battle. And if he was king of Ireland before the second battle of Magh Tuiredh, there is no way he could have been king after Lugh, because Lugh became king after Nuadha was killed by Balor during the second battle of Magh Tuiredh. Lugh wasn't even born until after the first battle of Magh Tuiredh. The suggestion that the Dagda was the son of Elatha or of Eithlinn also seems suspicious. Elatha is traditionally the father of Bres, and Eithlinn is the mother of Lugh. My source for this information is Over Nine Waves by Mary Heaney. Celsiana 19:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately for encyclopedia editors, Irish mythology is inconsistent and sometimes contradictory, and a coherent "timeline" is impossible to construct. You can't expect to get a full picture of the subject from a single secondary source. I haven't read Over Nine Waves, but Heaney, like most modern writers, has probably simplified a bit. But why couldn't Elatha or Ethlinn not have had several children? At some point I'll try and track down the texts the various elements of the Dagda's "biography" come from (most of the Irish myth entries are a bit lacking in this respect). --Nicknack009 12:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation
An expert of my (past) acquaintance informed me that the Dagda's name would be properly pronounced something like "Dah-yuh," but I'm wondering how one would pronounce "Eochaid Ollathair." Something like "yo-hay all-a-heer?"
*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 14:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe The Dagda's name is pronounced "DAW-dYAW", with second D being softened and said with the tongue against teeth. As for Eochaid Ollathair, I believe that's correct, but I can't be sure. -SeanAisteach 10:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The?
Is "the" the English article? Is there a point of having "the" in the title, instead of just "Dagda"? It looks like it's part of the Celtic name? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 14:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it is the English article. I'm not sure why it's used (although I suspect one of our our experts on the subject will be stopping by to explain it), but I do know that in every case where I've seen His name written or heard it spoken, the article "the" precedes it.
- *Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 15:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Alright, it just seems confusing to me. Btw, I thought capital He only was used for the Abrahamic God? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 17:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I understand your confusion.
- I capitalize the article when referring to any deity, out of respect. I see no reason to restrict that respect to the Abrahamic deity.
- It's not the convention in Wikipedia, so I resist the temptation to do it in main article spaces.
- *Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 19:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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- The Dagda, like the Morrígan, always has a definite article in Irish. --Nicknack009 19:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
