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[edit] Dimensions
I'm a bit confused about the dimensions of the building. The article states that the building is 110 fet tall with an interior height of 408 feet. Menright63 (talk) 06:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps it was built like the TARDIS? :) I've amended it to match what the reference says, i.e., 408 feet interior height. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
The dimension given in the reference is manifestly wrong. It would make the structure taller than it was wide which contemporary images show clearly not to be the case. The first figure of 110 feet is right and confirmed by reconstructed models and geometric analysis using the known 24 ft structural module. (Sunand Prasad (talk) 11:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC))
[edit] Crystal Palace Park
I agree with the last comment. Crystal Palace Park deserves a different page from the Crystal Palace. The current situation causes confussion as these two things are not the same. - getafix
WHy do you people (i dont know who) keep combining teh artcile on teh place crystal pacae with the artcile about the bfamous building? or shoudl the building one be renamed The Crystal Palace? - fonzy
[edit] Move from Hyde Park
When they moved the building from Hyde Park, where did they move it to? Various sources say Sydenham, Anerley, Penge and Upper Norwood (Even Wikipedia is internally inconsistent). The High Level station was in Sydenham, the Low Level Station is in Anerley, but the whole site was in Penge. I have not looked at a recent map but the Western boundary of the Crystal Palace Park was also the boundary between Penge and Anerley wards (both in PUDC and London Borough of Bromley). I know that Anerley ward has been replaced by Crystal Palace ward but I don't know if that included boundary changes Bebofpenge 09:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- From the maps i've seen, they seem to moved it to part of the parish of Battersea along the edge of Dulwich Wood where the upper level station was put a couple of decades later. Alec - U.K. 08:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Aerial target
- Well, they shouldn't. Shame on them. BTW, would you please provide sources for the "reason it didn't make money" thing and the "target for the Germans" thing? --Ed Poor
ok i will but what eaxclty do you mean about the germans thing thats what they did. They decided to take them down because they feard th germans coudl navgate there way around. But it was stupid as they coudl use anything. Aot of stuid thinsg were doen then.
example: teh shop bromley and russel, in Bromely tehy blackend out the name bromely becaus ethey thought the germans woudl know where tehy were if tehys aw teh word Bromely. - fonzy
- I'm interested in battles, and I would like to know more about what people of various cities have done to lower their risk of aerial bombardment. If I get enough info, I could write an article about it. Cheers. --Ed Poor
[edit] Water towers
-ok well i'm not quite shore how to implement a source or where to get one for the two water towers being taken down. It was a shame though. TV began in the south one. Logaie baird did his test TV transmissions from it. - fonzy
-- Ed poor do you wnat to help me on this article. - fonzy
What you've done is great. You can do more here, or branch out to other things you know about. Hmm, maybe I'll spell-check it. --Ed Poor
-well i want abit of help as there is an awful lot to write about On this buidling. - fonzy ps if your intrested in history this is quite intresting. I especilaly like lokking at old phots of the place. (maybe its beaue i live in the area.
[edit] Name
I'm not shore but was it Punch Magazine that gave it the name "Crystal Palace". - fonzy
[edit] Pictures
Pictures? Does anyone ahve pictures ones taht acan be used. Pictures of what it was like. What remains? - fonzy
I may have some pictures of the dinosaurs by the south lakes that I took myself- when I come accrosss them I'll scan them in- I've a feeling they may have my children in as well tho, in whaich case they wouldn't be suitable... BTW I used to be obsessed with the crystal palace dinosaurs when I was a child! quercus robur
I may go out and take a picture of what remains of teh North and South bases myself. - fonzy
[edit] Fonzy's father
rE-WRITTEN ARTCILE BY FONZYS FARTHER
- thankyou for adding it on 62.7.111.139 (mick) ironicly i just gonme on hen you added it, but why did you say it was yor farther origianlly? - fonzy
- because I cut and pasted teh comment you left at the bottom, which said "my farther" and I did not notice til it was too late.
- ooo i see, ok. Well the artcile does need to be npoved abit
[edit] Dinosaurs
I believe the dinosaurs have been finnished renovating. its still closed off so that trees can grow i bileive - fonzy
fonzy- how did you get the photo's? Can the public now get to the dinosaur area? my children were really disappointed to find that area sealed off when we went there last summer... quercus robur
Those photo's I took were on a special tour lst summer when they were redeveloping them, just to show people what was going on. At the moment the area is still celaed off to the public becuase they want the new trees to grow, but i heard ppl can go seem them on tours, btu i beilevthey are painted in their original colours, which is not i dont think the colocurs you will remebmber them. - fonzy
o btw Latest News The whole of the Top Site is now closed off as tehy are tidying it up from all the tipping and hazadous material. They are now asking ppl in Bromley what tehy want to happen to the top site. Its annoying It being closed off i wnated to get better picture of the higehr level station. I did take one of the North and South Bases of teh watertowers, the laste remaing collum and some omore terraces. - fozny
PS if you want to suggestion anything about teh top site, therea a form on bromley councils website www.bromley.gov.uk
Re dinosaur statues- you are right, the megalosaur is a little to the left isn't it? Thanks for spotting that :-) quercus robur
jsut wondering. are you going to add taht photo to Crystal Palace/Images ?
Um not really sure how to do it- feel free to if you want to tho... i'd like to keep it on the main crystal palace page as well tho.... the photo is at Image:Iguanodon1.jpg- cheers quercus robur
That's an extremely confusing first sentence. I had to read through it twice just to understand it. Maybe someone could change it? Pingveno 03:11, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Love the article... but just a quick comment on the sentence about the dinner inside the iguanadon. This is incorrect (you can see by the size of the model that there is no way you could fit 20 people in there. A dinner did take place in 1854, but it was infact inside the mould of the iguanadon that stands on four feet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.118.123.175 (talk) 21:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tragedy
"But on 30 November 1936 came the final tragedy"
- As I understand it, it's only a genuine tragedy if there's actual loss of life and limb, although informally you might refer to the loss of a beloved building as tragic. Lee M 19:27, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] St Paul's
I've removed the words ", but the same could have been said about St Paul's Cathedral"
It's a valid opinion, but I don't think they belong in an article about the Crystal Palace. Perhaps they could be moved to Battle_of_Britain.--jmd 02:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Wikification
Many of the links here seem to be inappropriately wikified - why link to water when talking about water towers?
[edit] Crystal Palace and Edward VIII's abdication
The burning down of the Crystal Palace occurred a few days before Edward VIII's abdication - should this be mentioned?
As far as I know no conspiracy theory has been proposed. Jackiespeel 16:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Why did it burn?
Can anyone explain why a building of glass and steel burnt completely to the ground. What was in it to make it burn so vigorously? Perhaps an explanation of the low temperature required for deformation of steel?--Mcginnly 22:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
It had alot of wood flooring, but the actual reason for burning down is a mystery. And why are there no images of the crystal palace at syndem? there are three of the 1851 building.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.41.0.14 (talk • contribs) .
[edit] Misplaced text
The following text in the main article soen't seem to have a logical home. If anyone knows what it is intened to convey, perhaps it could be re-inserted together with an appropriate source and reference.
The framework was similarly adapted to make the iron and glass ceilings in Waterhouse's Museum of Natural History.
Velela 05:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other "crystal palaces" should be relegated to a subsection ...
... instead of dominating the leading paragraph. The lead paragraph at the moment is less than 1/4 about the primary subject of the article, and 3/4 about imitations of it in other places, which completely distorts the article. I will come back and fix this when/if I have time, but maybe others could tackle this sooner. Ian Page 07:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
In the 'Relocation' section, I see two segments '___________Nick was here___________' and a part of the text is in a box. It is not part of the editable text. 212.8.192.18 14:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "photoshoped" image of the fire
This image is just some unknown dude's fantasy of what the fire might have looked like. It contributes absolutely nothing to the article. Why is it here? SECProto 18:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The image was innacurate (it was of the 1851 building instead of 1854) and there are plenty of REAL photos of the fire.
Then shouldn't they be added? Jackson Smith 23:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sunday opening
To head a section "Decline" is to accept that arrangements at the Crystal Palace were not static it's entire 82 year history. My Information comes from "the Palace of the People" Jan Piggot 2004 ISBN 1850657270. Page 59 "By a legal subterfuge the Palace and Park were eventually opened on Sundays, but not till 1860. Note 225. On one Sunday in May 1861 there were 40,000 visitors." Note 225 refers to P. Gurney in "The Great Exhibition of 1851 by Purbrick" 2001. page 124. Prefaced on page 58 of Piggott are the words "On Sundays the parks and interiors at Hampton Court Palace and Windsor Castle were open, as Kew Gardens had been since 1841, while the British Museum and National Gallery remained closed."
Perhaps the get out clause was that the Crystal Palace was both a park and a building as well as a private company.Interestingly enough there is a report of a gathering of shop-girls and apprentices at the Palace to protest for half Saturdays in the Art Journal, but can I find it?
Regards Alcohol. Piggott page 59 "The Crystal Palace Company applied for a licence to sell liquor without asking the shareholders, petitioning the Queen in Council in February 1855. The licence was granted, reneging on the original Charter. N227" The note refers to the Crystal Palace Herald of 4 April 1855.
In the Guide [1855 edition] the price listve is as follows
"Tisane de Champagne (not sparkling) 5s 6d Sparkling Moselle 7s 6d Port 4s. half bottle 2s. Claret 4s. half bottle 2s. Burgundy (Beaune) 5s. 6d. Bottled Ale or stout1s Coffee 6s. Tea 6s.
I'm not sure what [citation needed] means and will try to start again. The whole disputed section disappearred! I promise I will have all my citations to hand next time, I thought I had the night to sleep on it.Victorian Aesthete (talk) 10:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Inaccuracy in height and glass area
A comment by User:Dbeierl, moved from the body of the article:
"[N.B. The listed height must be a typo -- 408 instead of 108 -- or improper conversion in the reference. Photographs of the rebuilt structure at Sydenham Hill (whose central transept was built higher than the original) make this obvious. The reference at the end of note 2 quotes the height of the original transept as 108 ft which I think is reasonable]." —Preceding unsigned comment added by McGeddon (talk • contribs) 18:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
