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[edit] Formatting and Citing

I added a citation for the Class of 1944's non-graduation status (drafting for WWII) and fixed some formating with images and line breaks... of course, I did this before I remembered to login.

Angryundead 15:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inaccuracy

"All cadets have physical training Monday and Thursday mornings before breakfast, drill practice Tuesdays and Thursdays between 11am and noon, and "Spirit Runs" Friday afternoons after parades."

PT is only at the beginning of each semester until the Corps PT test, where 95% of each company must pass. And only knobs are required to participate in the spirit run with the help of voluntary upperclassmen...

I have a feeling "spirit run" and "voluntary upperclassmen" are euphemisms 198.6.46.11 14:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other inaccuracy

1. Check the average SAT scores for the Citadel! It's nowhere near 1200. It's actually more like just over 1000. Stick to the facts and stop stretching the truth. Saying 1200 is just plain lying...

2. The only cross registration the citadel has is with Trident Technical COMMUNITY COLLEGE whose students can complete two years at the community college and then spend two years at the citadel and graduate with a citadel degree. The medical university of south carolina, college of charleston do not have "cross-registration" with the citadel...again, someone threw out an innacuracy and fabrication...you guys are hilarious. Bullhog 00:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Response to 2
Sir, this is not an error.
Lowcountry Graduate Center In an effort to meet the needs of graduate education in the Lowcountry, The Citadel, the College of Charleston, and the Medical Univeristy of South Carolina formed in 2001 the Lowcountry Graduate Center (LGC). The Center is located in North Charleston near the Charleston International Airport. Visit the Lowcountry Graduate Center and view Citadel courses offered at the LGC. Hope that helps http://citadel.edu/cgps/
Yes, and once again you folks have stretched the truth. Being a part of the LGC is vastly different from simple cross-registration with those colleges. How cheeezy it would be if West Point, Annapolis, or VMI graduates wore a ring and could say, "Yes, I'm a graduate, but I was never a cadet..." And there are citadel folks out there claiming their school is tough. You guys need a good dose of reality.Bullhog 17:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and once again there are folks out there like you who know absolutely nothing about which you are arguing so vehemently about. Graduate students are those guys who come during the night and have absolutely no interaction with the corps..and guess what buddy, they can get a ring which is entirely different than that ring with which the corps wears. I can guarantee you that the only ring the corps recognizes, as well as the employers who are in high demand for citadel grads, is the one that has been the same for over 70 yrs.. The real band of gold. I dont think its cheezy at all that the citadel offers great learning opportunities in graduate studies for the lowcountry of S.C! How can you say something so stupid?? I dont know who you are and where you come from, but if you dont think our school is tougher than any other military school or academy out there with exception to VMI, just come on down and see for yourself. Westpoint and Annapolis are great schools academically and militarily, but as for being "tough", well, to be frank, they dont know the meaining of that word!

Get a life and unless you have substantial info go away. It is double sad because one of the people who graduated as a non cadet was Marine First Lieutenant Therrel Shane Childers reported as the first American causality in the war in Iraq. If as you say "Yes, I'm a graduate, but I was never a cadet..." is cheesy…. I will take it. But take a look in your own back yard before you step in ours.…… [Drive23]
Now step back and read the below for real info about what you are talking about
http://citadel.edu/pao/newsreleases/war/therel_childers.html
To Drive 23 who said "get a life and unless you have more substantial info go away:" Here's more substantial info: Read some of the entries in the archived talk pages here and you'll agree that you guys need a reality check. You had a citadel supporter claim in your archived talk pages, among other things, that your school had "the most grads killed in the war on terror..." That was a dumb thing and a sad thing to say in the first place, but more importantly, it was completely FALSE. Here's some more "substantial info:" You guys have graduated only one active duty four star general in your history, no rhodes scholars, and ZERO Congressional Medal of Honor recipients. Tell me again how tough you guys are.....Bulloh 15:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I do not challenge the facts on the CMH, Rhodes. Have a lot of respect for and friends from your school. I have taken a look at the one issue and our facts jive as well (from what I read), but agree it is an inappropriate discussion given where our classmates are right now from both our institutions. However, you are wrong in a few areas hence my last post. The Citadel does have cross registration as noted for example see below. As for the other points, you do not seem to understand the MECEP and Navy day students and hence the last posting. I have also taken a look at the info you reference and see no mistakes or misinformation seems like a lot of people for some reason do not understand the CGPS and night class available on campus for grad students. I would say the people mudding the waters are more on the outside end and hence my last heated posting which in hind sight was not right. But read the MECEP info provided above and understand that these are a great asset to both cadet training and the Citadel community not something that is cheese. V/R[Drive 23]

http://www.musc.edu/es/cross_reg.html Shows all: http://www.citadel.edu/registrar/forms/application-to-take-courses-at-another-college-guidelines.pdf#search='cross%20registration%20with%20the%20citadel'


I am a cadet myself right now at the Citadel, and all this talk about how cadets are so tough disgusts me. They march around with huge egos beacuse they think that since they got hazed as a knob, they can take on the world. They are trying to imitate the soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen who actually do serve in the line of fire. Now, some cadets really are big-muscled fighters, but that's it. for the most part, they are loud, obnoxious boys who came to the Citadel for a ring, not a degree. They worry less about academics than they do about watching movies during study period. There is the minority of cadets who do have a good heart and act in a professional manner....those are usually the ones who are on a military scholarship and will commission into the US Armed Forces after graduation. Those are usually the cadets that were unable to be accepted into a military academy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.225.9.180 (talk • contribs) 10:33, 14 April 2006

So you're a cadet huh?? I think it very interesting that you use the repeated phrase "they" instead of "we". You are a cadet and all this talk about how cadets are so tough disgusts me. THEY march...maybe you do not belong at the Citadel if you do not even include yourself into the stereotype you are trying to establish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.225.142.212 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 29 April 2006
Actually, it just sounds like he was trying to differentiate the behavior of himself compared to some of these guys. Maybe you're right, maybe you don't belong at the Citadel if you're not a sheep who tows the line because you're told to. I have no knowledge of this college I don't really care to, but it seems that he has a good point. Part of being a good student is being able to think for yourself, and if you don't like the way others act, why should you include yourself in their actions just because you both happen to be cadets at the same college? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have missed the point...I have no problem with one disagreeing with the actions of others at a school, my point is if your going to say something like that use the generic words "there are cadets that" instead of "they" as if he or she is not a part of the institution. Furthermore, since you dont know much about the school, let me educate you. The foundations of the school are built around teamwork and commraderie. Nobody says dont be an independent thinker, the problem rather lies in the fact that it is not normal and appropriate to slander your classmates like that, using words like "they disgust me" the Citadel teaches respect, and since this person obviously missed that lesson, I felt the need to dissent from their point of view. Oh yeah, its not "...behavior of himself compared...", im pretty certain it should be "...behavior of herself compared...".

Also, There are some fine points to the above comments that you can point to which make me say this person is not a cadet. Example: How are they seeing the movies?? You can not have a TV until your 1st Class year, and to get caught during mandatory Evening Study Period (ESP) is a significant blue book issue. The right thing here is to ensure he/she reports the issue to make sure they are getting good book time in. Do not pull anyone but try to help your company mates out……It is of course college and I am sure some of them need a break, but as we all know they patrol to make sure the underclassman are at the books during ESP. Also, this person is missing the point of what they are doing and needs help. Please talk to some of the religious officers or some alumni to help you realize the full benefits of what you are doing. V/R Drive23 65.217.57.101 18:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I said I am a cadet....now i was formerly a cadet, i transferred. to dissuade your sckepticism: freshmen watch DVD's on their computers (computers have had DVD software included in them for a few years now) yea, they need a break, but for every ESP for most of the year??? and u being a cadet know that no upperclassmen would even come close to reporting a cadet for watching a DVD, ever. also, religious officers are not in the cadet's academic chain of command. do i really have to prove to you how i am a cadet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.183.224 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 20 June 2006

Actually I got in trouble several times, as well as my classmates when we were knobs for doing ANYTHING other than studying during ESP, whether it be being on AIM, watching a movie, or just goofing off and not studying. I dont know what company you "were" in but it seems as though if you didnt like the fact that knobs were watching movies, you should have stepped up and done something about it. I was a SGT last year and I never caught any of my knobs watching movies during ESP. I also think you missed the whole point of the religious officer being mentioned. The comment above yours was not proposing that someone use the religious officer for academic help, but rather was advising that religious officers can sometimes talk to one and get them to understand the real meaning of college and what that particular person is doing there so that they might reach their full potential. In closing I say to you goodluck with your studies elsewhere, the Citadel is not a place for everybody.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.130.7.128 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 5 July 2006


Big surprise, another kid who couldn't cut it badmouths the Citadel. This kind of thing gets really really old. I don't know what company this kid was in, but even the most lax companies at the Citadel are ten times what this kid claims. Oh well

Yea, seriously. Badmouthing the school without even being able to handle knob year? That really says a lot about why you quit. If you don't even have the discipline or determination to finish what wold have been, in retrospect, one of the best things that could have possibly ever happened to you. What right do you have to judge? And as or proof of me being a cadet, why would I need to prove anything to someone who quit. Quitters are worse than knobs this year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.225.150.185 (talk) 04:07, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

The number of generals and admirals grads is 239 as of September 18, 2007. http://www.citadel.edu/alumni/resources/gen_list.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.139.193.193 (talk) 13:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content Review

All information has been verified and reviewed by The Citadel Office of Public affairs as of 3/5/05, edits on this day submitted via VP Public Relations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.217.57.101 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question to Rillian

Saw your edits, look good however the introduction still seems to hit civilian side versus cadet’s right up front. While the CGPS is a key part of The Citadel and the low country I think it should be reworded as my changes indicated. Interested in your thoughts? {Drive 23} —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.217.57.101 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The opening paragraph should be short and to the point, more detail is then provided in the body of the article. I agree that military Corps should be emphasized and have made some edits to do that. Rillian 12:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add Sword Drill To Fictional Depictions?

I wanted to get grad in put on adding Sword Drill, http://www.sworddrill.com/ , to the fictional depiction section. I know this might be something some of the members might comment on so treading lightly and testing the waters. V/R {Drive 23} —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.217.57.101 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Certainly appears to be a fictional depiction of life at the Citadel or a school like the Citadel. Be bold and add it. Rillian 12:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Fictional depictions? Apparently taken down.--Buckboard 11:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number 2 public university in the South?

This claim is nonsense. It may have been ranked the number two regional university in the south (It's hard for me to tell, because the linked article seems to be a list of all regional/"master's" universities in the south, and I'm not sure how many of the six schools ahead of The Citadel are public), but the "master's" universities rank below the national universities, meaning that, in order, Virginia, North Carolina, William and Mary, Georgia Tech, Florida, Texas, Georgia, Texas A&M, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida State, and South Carolina are all superior to the Citadel in the US News rankings. john k 01:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

YOUR AN IDIOT...DO YOU READ THE THINGS YOU RIGHT DOWN?? what do you mean it may have been ranked the # 2 regional university in the south...the south IS THE REGION. The things that you are typing are NONSENSE!

here is the link you are looking for http://www.citadel.edu/pao/newsreleases/sy05-06/US_News_2006.html. This is the article I think the info was pulled from. Enjoyed going to UPENN for a game this year. Great atmosphere V/R{Drive 23}65.217.57.101 15:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
65.217.57.101 is correct. Based on the rankings, the Citadel was seventh out of 64 universities in the American South that offer up to a Master's degree. Counting only public universities in that group of 64 places the Citadel at second out of 24. I'ved edited the article to clarify we are referring only to schools that offer only up a Master's degree. The other schools you list offer Bachelors, Master's and Doctoral degrees. Rillian 15:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. john k 17:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

In the "YOUR AN IDIOT" response you wrote the conjunction you are (you're) as "your"...not such a good case for #2 in the South. ArchonMeld 01:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
What makes you think this guy goes to the Citadel?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.225.142.212 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 29 April 2006

[edit] Removal of Uncited content

There is a fair amount of article content that is not cited. I am removing uncited content to The Citadel (military college)/Uncited. By Wikipedia:Verifiability, "Information on Wikipedia must be reliable. Facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed." Please contribute by providing citations for the information on the Uncited archive, and migrating that information from the Archive to the article page once a citation in provided. Thank you. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 21:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] We Should Add The Following=

Kabul Compound Renamed in Honor of Fallen Citadel Grad U.S. Army Capt. Daniel W. Eggers Class of 1997

http://www.citadel.edu/pao/newsreleases/war/eggers_memorial.html

Camp Udari, located in northern Kuwait, has been renamed Camp Buehring in honor of Lt. Col. Chad Buehring, Class of 1985. Buehring was killed in an Oct. 26, attack on the Al-Rasheed Hotel in Baghdad. Buehring was assigned to Army Central Command Headquarters, Fort McPherson, Ga.

Dan was a great person and a good friend....Looking for some votes to add this info.. V/R {Drive 23}65.217.57.101 22:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

http://citadel.edu/pao/newsreleases/war/buehring_memorial.htm

[edit] Graduation Rate

I added a little more emphasis on the graduation rate and gave appropriate citations. I'm sure readers would like to know specifically what ranking the Citadel holds in this area, and because I know how defensive others might get when it comes to one college saying it is #1 in something, I wrote verbatim what the source has, and cited that source. If there are any problems with this, please feel free to verify.

[edit] Seal

Is there a better seal of the university beside a boy scout patch? ArchonMeld 01:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Good call. I will take a look. V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 12:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inserting Photo of dress parade

I have a very good photo of cadets in a dress parade (2001) for your site if you would be interested

17:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)2003 grad

[edit] Best Values

In 2007, The Citadel was listed among the "Best Values in the South" Really? Last I checked it was still 2006... Js farrar 04:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citadel ROTC

I am going to the Citadel next year, when do we select which ROTC program we will do. Also how often are you alowed to go off campus?

Welcome. You will select you ROTC program either prior to getting on campus or during your registration period. You will be able to leave campus during open weekends or general leave once the school year starts. V/R Drive2365.217.57.101 14:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni page

I believe the alumni/notbale people page should be seperate from the main article...in accordance with similar situations for education institutions with incredible numbers of graduates. The alumni section of the main article is way too long to keep. Suggest keeping the current List of Citadel alumni page and expand Category:The Citadel, The Military College of South Carolina to encompass all notable alumni. Thoughts, concerns??? Wrightchr 21:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The list of alumni was getting too long, mostly because it was being extended to included non-notable entries such as VP from a moderately well-known company in the 1950s. The list should be trimmed to notable only entries but left in the article per the example of many college articles. The alumni category is interesting. Are there examples of this for other colleges? Rillian 03:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boots to bring to the Citadel

I will be going next year, and on the list of items to bring it says one pair millitary boots. Can any one tell me what color, brand and type and/or a link to a website where I can purchase some. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.22.119 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 20 January 2007

[edit] Commissions

When do we decide wether or not to accept commision? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.22.119 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 31 January 2007

[edit] In Response

This is not really the place to ask these questions. (72.150.22.119). Contact your pre-knob host or the College. Discuss the article HERE. Template:Radams89

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[edit] Engineering Ranking Inaccuracy

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[edit] Shannon Faulkner Inaccuracy

In the women at The Citadel section of the article, it states that Ms. Faulkner was housed in the infirmary because she was not quartered with the rest of the male cadets. That is not a correct statement. It was also my knob year and we were in the same battalion. She had her own room with in her company area. After our first PT session as a class she went to the infirmary and resigned not too long after. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fugee1977 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Which company was she in and exactly how long after matriculation was it that she resigned? I've heard everything from a few hours to a few days. I ask because there were a lot of people in my class who wanted to know and I was hoping that you could clear this up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeman (talk • contribs) 18:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The following was added to the main article by User:TVPH1220. I've moved it here for further discussion. Rillian (talk) 23:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"The reference to the Harvard review is a dead link. The cadets celebrations were taken completely out of context. Around noon that day it had rained. When it rained, the cadets would plug the drains in the quadrangle and cause it to flood. Cadets were seen "playing" in the rain. CNN cameras filmed this celebrating prior to any news of Faulkner's withdrawal. Aroung 4 pm the news came down that Faulkner was quitting. The cadets were given strict instructions to "act as gentlemen" and not celebrate her demise or grant any interveiws. The footage was aired later to make it appear the cadets were celebrating Faulkner's leaving, which was not the case."

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Treason

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. 00:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bulldog citadel Logo.jpg

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Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 04:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Citadelcrest.jpg

Image:Citadelcrest.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)