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[edit] Join or Die

I've recently seen the film, and it doesn't appear to me that the war is among Necromancers and Elementals. It's said that Elementals declare themselves neutral; and Necromancers don't seek destruction of the Elementals, but unification of all human races (hence their politic of join-or-die)... Don't you agree?--euyyn 11:07, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think that's the general aim of the "Legion Vast", though the Lord Marshall seemed intent on gaining not only human lives but all the life in the galaxy, by converting it or annihilating it. (Hence his "...and I'll spare your planet... for last.") --Lazarus Plus 20:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

has anyone seen dark fury? was one of the statues of the "frozen" people a furyan? i thought there was a sign that said that.

wouldn't that mean that there are three furyans? riddick, the guy working for the necromongers, and the poor statue guy (who is alive)?

should that be included in the entry?


[edit] Goodbye Opinions

The logical inconsistency mish mash, I'm removing it. That seems very opinionated. TotalTommyTerror 14:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not an "opinion" that the drastic change of temperature on a planet's surface is plausible only if it doesn't have an atmosphere. And it's also not an opinion that people need to breath air in an atmosphere to live, let alone to run. These are plain scientific facts that anyone with some common sense should know.

Sure, because all science fiction films deal with nothing but logic and reality. It's a sci-fi film, and as Sci-Fi is wont to do, some logic is suspended. Therefore, critiquing any logical inconsistency in such a film is subjective. TotalTommyTerror 17:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

this whole article (and the one at Pitch Black seem too long winded and detailed. do we really need to know every single thing down to crew man number two's shoe size? plus, some of the data seems opinionated. the article needs shortening. keep it short and sweet, with nothing beyond the relevant data, please. one more thing - tommyterror: logical fallacies are not a trademark of sci-fi films, as you would have it. they are simply the sign of bad script writing (which this particular film is well endowed with). a good script will have all the logical ties tied together in a sci-fi flick as much as in a historical drama. no need to be all high and mighty. 213.172.234.234 03:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Really? "bad script writing"? Then there are NO good scripts in Sci Fi, unless you can name one that does not have some type of faster than light travel (impossible), sounds of explosions in space (also impossible due to lack of atmosphere) etc. Elvigy 15:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)elvigy

Firefly and its movie counterpart contained no faster-than-light travel and no sound in space. Not that sound in space really has anything to do with script quality. Riotgear 08:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I've attempted a rewrite of the plot entry. It's much shorter now, but if anything needs to be fleshed out, feel free to elaborate. Bilalc 04:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Science Fiction Film?

Really? Pitch Black certainly was but I think Chronicles of Riddick should almost definitely be classed as a "Science Fantasy" film. I mean... Air Elementals? A spiritual guide popping up every now and again? (Director's Cut)

To be honest, while I really like both Pitch Black and Chronicles, and want to see sequels, I find it hard to buy that they're set in the same universe... it's one thing to leap from the horror genre to the action/adventure genre - but going from Sci-Fi to Science Fantasy is a little bit hard to swallow... (195.92.168.167 22:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC))

I didn't have a problem with it honestly, it's a big universe afterall. It seems perfectly plausible to me that you could have nocturnal aliens on the one planet in Pitch Black, and then some elemental humans / aliens on another planet. I mean if everything was the same from planet to planet, it would be a pretty boring universe. Star Wars and Star Trek are no different, their aliens vary greatly from movie to movie and planet to planet. Bilalc 04:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Final Word: Vaako or Riddick?

Ok, so which ending is going to be considered 'canon'? The Theatrical Cut, where Vaako says "You keep what you kill." Or the Director's Cut, where Riddick mutters it to himself? A few days ago, the director's cut ending was the one written - and when I last checked, it was the theatrical version... wouldn't it make sense to create a section that explains the differences between the director's and theatrical cuts? (195.92.168.167 22:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC))

Certainly. Go ahead and add it if you wish. Cburnett 03:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The way I see it, extra stuff in the directors cut are like deleted scenes: interesting but not canon. I would say the Vaako line is the canon ending. TJ Spyke 12:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Except that the director's cut would be how the director intended for the film to be. Which would make that version canon. TotalTommyTerror 13:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I've said earlier, we have to wait for the next movie to figure out which is canon, as far as the "canon" situation is concerned. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 16:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but why does it matter who said "You keep what you kill,"? It seems to me that all that matters is that the line was said, and that Riddick is now the new Lord Marshall. Bilalc 04:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sequel Citation

Is there a citation for Vin saying a sequel(s) was in the works? I don't pretend to have my finger on the pulse, as I've never heard him say there was a sequel.

Because if he never said anything that snippet at the end of the article should be removed. TotalTommyTerror 07:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added links to the necessary articles. Bilalc 04:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Richard B. Riddick

Shouldn't there be a separate article on the character of Riddick? It seems to be merged in with the article on The Chronicles of Riddick. I guess I'll go start writing one, but contributions are appreciated.--65.96.2.19 15:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

STOP. DO NOT MAKE AN ARTICLE. I don't meant to sound antagonistic, but there already is one; I'm pretty sure there is at least one link on here that links to his page. In the future, once again, not to be mean, but please check if an article is created before creating one. BishopTutu 21:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
If you already know about the other article, ignore this previous statement. BishopTutu 21:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Helios or Helion (Prime) ?

Maybe my hearing has gone bad, but to me I coulda sworn it was Helion-Prime. Googled it, can up with 34,000 results for Helion, 387,000 for Helios. Its not on cable atm so no way to watch the captions. Anyone know for sure? Coradon 03:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I just saw it on DVD, and I'm pretty sure it was "Helion." The reason Helios has so many more results is because of Helios. Just read the article(s). -Platypus Man | Talk 06:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Yup, just watched the DVD again. Not only do subtitles say Helion, the display screen on the ship as he gets to Helion says Helion. Coradon 09:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
It's Helion. BishopTutu 17:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Helion Prime is the name. I can see how the names can be mistaken though :) Bilalc 04:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thematic Elements

I disagree with whoever wrote this. Sure, they were TRYING to make an astute observation, but that's mainly POV. In the latter movie, one can maybe give the reluctant hero arguement, but in Pitch Black Riddick is the first to arrive at that spaceship and he is perfectly capable of operating it on his own. He first attempts to leave the planet alone, then with.. the female lead. She convinces him to go back and save the others and he ends up almost sacrificing himself for the others.

What happens then is that the female lead returns to help Riddick and finds him badly wounded, having survived an attack from multiple.. the alien thingys. From there she gets taken away beyond his conrol, he returns to the ship, avenges her death, and the movie ends. Dessydes 10:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I've re-written the article referring to Riddick as an Anti-Hero. Hopefully that term will better convey his character evolution up to now. Bilalc 04:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Rewrite

I've attempted to rewrite the article and start from scratch - who ever wrote it before had major "in-universe" style writing, so I've tried to make it more objective now. Feel free to enhance areas, but lets try not to let it balloon out to an unmanageable size like last time... Originally I had written the new article to a similar length as the original author, but with less detail, but i suppose it was still too much plot retelling, so I have left out alot of the indebth plot analysis this time.Bilalc 04:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


I just want to know exactly what a necromonger is. Anyone have an oppinion? seths_flame03@yahoo.com

[edit] Dark Planet Grue?

Is that someone trying to be funny? The creatures in Pitch Black were never named. --Koji 03:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Responce: I have often wondered where the name "Grue" came from or what it means, In the pitch Black screenplay, the creatures are simply referred to as "Predators".

Appearently a grue is some kind of monster from a computer game. see: Grue (monster). I'm not sure if there is any conection to pitch black though, aside from the fact that the creatures from pitch black and these grues are both afraid of light and only come out in the dark. 141.154.162.71 00:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Series Article

I created The Chronicles of Riddick (series) a while ago to help keep down clutter on the film pages. Alot of the specific film's pages were getting cluttered with excess information on the locations and characters of the franchise. Now there is a page for the information that would be out of place elsewhere. However it still needs to be expanded quiet a bit. I put all I could remember from the franchise as a start, but I would really like anyone who edits these Riddick articles to add more. Things I think need more information are the planets in the series, the characters of the series, and the different races of the series. Any help would be apperciated. (Animedude 03:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC))

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[edit] Wonderful decorative detail

I'm curious - who was actually responsible for the over-the-top decorative motifs of the sets and costumes in this film? There's never just a lever or a telephone - there's an agonized bronze statue that rotates upward, or a writhing quasi-dead Thing hooked up to a vibrating bowl of water. Even the most ordinary clothing is something spectacular, let alone that wild battle armor. The decor adds a huge amount of implied action - for instance, the bronze statue of Riddick in Necromonger style in the ending credits implies that their cult lived on in some form - and by the time the film is over the impossible Necromongers feel as real as Rome, simply by virtue of the aesthetic gestalt they represent. And I swear that if you stacked their five prettiest spaceships and landers against the top five contenders from all the rest of sci fi film combined they would have a fair chance to win. Between this florid detail and a plot so elaborate it doesn't seem like it could fit into the movie, I think of this as one of the true classics - far superior to its predecessor. Did the good critics really regard it so poorly? Sites like Rotten Tomatoes offer too many opinions to go through all of them, but it boggles me to see people saying that the plot moves too fast and the universe is too strange - isn't that what a sci-fi/fantasy/art film like this is for?

P.S. Was Rodney Matthews officially involved in the Crematoria landscape? There was something very familiar about those leaning spires, but this movie takes that cold, static pattern from older Matthews art and brings it to life by putting it in the context of a 700-degree terminator line. I doubt there was much science to the heat differences at that terminator line but there was a whole lot of art to it. Wnt (talk) 08:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who actually did the writing?

I remember that the movie credited David Twohy as writer and director, but the Comingsoon reference says that Vin Diesel a) "went through many, many writers" and b) "wrote the storyline for all three movies". Also, is there any relationship between the Necromongers and Necrons? Wnt (talk) 09:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whose fingerprint?

Alright, I know that unless someone who actually made the film replies to this I'll probably never get an answer, but the opening Ultraviolet World 6 scene is a case of a world that bears the fingerprint of its creator in an exceptionally literal sense - so far as I can tell, the ridges Riddick is jumping between are actually based on the whorls of a real fingerprint. But who was used as the model? Wnt (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right. You'll never figure that out. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 15:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)