Talk:The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay

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[edit] Major Page Expansion

I have expaned the TCoR: Butcher Bay page's Synopsis section and have changed it to the "Story" section. I have added "Weapons", "Items", "Mission Items", and have started a "Characters" section. If no one else will expand that section, I will get to it eventually, if all possible. BishopTutu 21:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the original plot synopsis, and I don't see any expansion except for the mention of Shirah or something from the director's cut DVD of Chronicles of Riddick. I deleted it cos its wrong; in the game, its clearly Pope Joe who does the surgery. Razoroo 21:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

First off, note the signature time at the end of the message: this, obviously, was done a long time ago, and, obviously again, someone has changed it. Second, like I have stated in the edit summaries of my recent edits, Pope Joe does jack shit to give Riddick the eyeshine; the voice that begins to talk states that she is giving him a gift: the eyeshine; this is made obvious when, not 2 seconds after she says this, Riddick receives the eyeshine. Pope Joe even seems a bit surprised when he sees Riddick's eyes. There is no proof that Pope Joe does anything to Riddick's eyes, so it will not be stated in the article as such. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 04:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

But doesn't Riddick accuse Pope Joe of doing it? I havn't played it in a while, and I can't because the blasted thing won't work on 360, but I'm sure the cut scenes can be found on Youtube. Also Shirah is debated to be a non-canonical character as she doesn't appear in the standard version of the movie. I recently edited it to take into account both our theories, I think it's best that way. Razoroo 12:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Riddick accuses Pope Joe of giving him it; Pope Joe responds that he's only fixed his arm. This is explicitly shown and and should be stated in the article as such. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 14:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Expanded the plot again. Razoroo 12:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I corrected a bunch of grammatical mistakes and a few incorrect facts. Sounds much better now and I think we should leave it like that, until I play through the game again somehow. I may have to download all the cutscenes, but I think its pretty accurate. Discuss here if anyone wants to edit it, before you go off and ruin it again please. Razoroo 21:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't ruin anything; my version was completely grammatically correct, except for maybe one thing near the beginning. My version was not as in-universe as the current version is. This current version also has loads of irrelevant information and its size is getting close to violating WP:PLOT; go acquaint yourself with a few Wikipedia policies, the actual TCoR: Butcher Bay plot, and perhaps an English book before accusing someone of ruining something. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 00:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Woah woah tiger, no need to get all Rambo on me. The edit that you made to the plot synopsis sounded messy, the syntax (oh btw, my English is actually pretty good, I can send you my A-Level results if you want) was poorly structured. I've kept almost everything you've said, just cut a word or an unneccessary comma here and there to make things flow nicely. I didn't accuse you of ruining it, I'm just saying I don't want anyone to mess it up cos its great as it is. Your contributions were useful, don't worry. Try and relax yeah? Razoroo 00:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I see you've reverted it back to your edit of the plot. Let me give you an example of poor syntax on your part: "After helping him, Riddick gains his trademark "eye-shine" ability. There is a supernatural element to this, as a mysterious voice belonging to a woman named Shirah speaks to him; Riddick thens gains his "eyeshine" ability, which allows him to see in the dark." See here how it mentions "gains eye-shine ability" twice. When I edited it, I made it sound better by putting the two sentences together and deleting one of the eye-shine mentions. You've made it sound like a kids written it. I'm making it sound mature. Another point, although I don't have a note or reference right now, the ending of this game does not lead to Pitch Black. It leads to the events of the remake, Assault on Dark Athena, which in turn will lead to Pitch Black. Gamespot has an interview with the developers somewhere. Razoroo 00:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

One more thing, stop referring to Jagger Valance as "the character". Seriously, amateurs write like that. Razoroo 00:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I distinctly recall saying something along the lines of "actually go read some of the Wikipedia policies before trying to edit," yet you still haven't done so, because, if you did, you would have realized that when someone adds such words as "the character" and things of that nature, its called OUT-OF-UNIVERSE WRITING, and not "amateurish," as you describe it. Don't come here thinking your just some Harvard class writer and then screw stuff up. And also, about my "poor syntax," I'll admit, it was poor, but the only reason I did that is cause of laziness; I'm getting incredibly tired of users coming here and repetitively, and incorrectly, editing articles, even when someoen shows them why they are wrong. It also strikes me funny that you criticize my edits when you put in such incorrect edits, such as when you said that Johns escorts him to the single max area when its really Abbott. Maybe this time around, you will actually go reacquaint yourself with the Butcher Bay plot and use an above-3rd grade level intelligence and go read some Wikipedia policies, and I don't give a shit if i used "poor syntax" just then. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 03:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Listen there's no need to get rude you little dipshit. I wrote the original plot synopsis here and you came and edited it. I didn't mind cos it was improved. I noticed one or two things that were not well written and I corrected them. Since then, the article has been edited numerous times by both of us. Right now, it's good, I like it. However, I'm going to edit a couple of other things. Namely, your use of the term "the character". You don't need to say that, it makes the sentence messy. All you need to say is, Pope Joe, or Johns or Hoxie. Secondly, you're using a semi-colon wrongly, which I'm going to change. Thirdly, I meant that Johns brings Riddick to Butcher Bay, the first area of which is the Single Max prison. Apart from that, there's no mention of Abbot, so either include him in the synopsis (how Riddick kills him etc) or don't mention him at all. People who read the plot here will be wondering what happend to him. And don't get rude to me again; my English is much better than yours. Razoroo 12:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, first off, calling me a "dipshit" is a violation of a Wikipedia policy, so I'd advise not doing it again. Second, it still amazes me how, even though I told you, in plain letters, the reason why I add the words "the character:" ITS BECAUSE ITS CALLED OUT-OF-UNIVERSER WRITING, SOMETHING STATED IN A WIKIPEDIA POLICY. Screw "messiness;" don't use your own screwed sense of discretion in a place that you don't know jack crap about. Here's a tip: GO READ THE FREAKING WIKIPEDIA POLICIES I DIRECTED YOU TO BEFORE EDITING THIS ARTICLE AGAIN. If you don't do it now, that would be just sad. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 13:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to write in outer-space writing or whatever you call it!!! I havn't seen any other plot synopsis of a game or film that does that! Most of the article is written in "in-universe" anyway, it makes for an easier read! You can't just put one part of it "outer" and the rest "in"! If you wanted to write the whole thing in outer, then it would sound ridiculous. It's supposed to be a PLOT SYNOPSIS, i.e informing people of the plot. Not alienating them and telling them something they already know. Who else could Pope Joe be? Of course he's "the character" Pope Joe, he's not the Unreal game engine! And I do believe you insulted me first so don't give me this Wikipedia Policeman rubbish. Or I'll make like an American and sue you, then go see my shrink. Razoroo 00:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I see where this is going. I know too well. I think it's best for both of us, or, rather, you, if this discussion discontinued. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, whatever. The article is fine as it is now btw. So let's leave it as it is. Despite your precious policies and beloved "outer-space" writing, it's good. Razoroo 16:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remake for the 360

Should mention of it be made here?

Yes it should, maybe a short paragraph. If nobody writes one, I don't mind doing it. Razoroo 21:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)