Talk:The Chronicles of Narnia/Archive 4

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Problem paragraph in criticism?

I'm sorry if this was addressed already, but some of the above looks like bickering and I don't really want to go through it all.

I'm not sure what to make of this:

'Some of the criticism may be related to Narnia's Christian content. Pullman is also an outspoken atheist (Dodd 2004) and, according to Jacobs, "Those who dislike Christianity itself can be far more harsh: Thus the English novelist Philip Hensher chastised Lewis a few years ago because his books 'corrupt the minds of the young with allegory,' and suggested (only half-jokingly, I think) that parents should give their children Last Exit to Brooklyn to read rather than a Narnia tale."'

First off, who is "Jacobs"? And I just read the synthesis policy. This sounds like a few ideas fused into one - that Pullman is an atheist, and that some Jacobs guy thinks those who dislike Christianity are harsh against C.S. Lewis. And there seems to be a third invisible premise needed to connect these two, which is the assumption that atheists inherently "dislike Christianity".

So I don't think this meets policy, or that it's even logically sound, unless I am totally reading it wrong. Furthermore, I don't think it represents Pullman. I've seen him quoted as saying the problem with Narnia for him isn't the presence of Christian content, but rather the "lack of Christian virtue". Please feel free to look that up, but I'm pretty sure that's almost exactly what he said.VatoFirme 06:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright well nobody's answered, but I'm going to remove that paragraph because it violates synthesis policy by mushing together at least two or three arguments and unfairly insinuates that atheists "dislike" Christianity.VatoFirme 23:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I mostly just took out the personal attack on Pullman, I don't doubt there are people who "dislike Christianity" and therefore hate Narnia, but A.) Pullman has been very clear that he doesn't hate Christianity per se, he hates dogmatic institutions that seek political power and engage in religious intolerance (whether Christian or otherwise), B.) from what I've read of wikipedia policy you can't synthesize arguments, and C.) it unfairly insinuated that atheists are inherently anti-Christian.VatoFirme 23:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe that's a sensible way to fix it. --Cheeser1 01:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Vato, the current read is pretty good, thanks! I had thought I had read a Narnia--> Christianity--> Atheism--> Dark Materials commentary from Pullman himself at some point. But, you are correct we should have it sourced and accurate, if it exists. --Knulclunk 19:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Music

My first edit, so if I'm not doing it quite right let me know. Relient K's song "In Like a Lion" is is inspired by C.S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia. Underground Revolution (talk) 03:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source you can point to confirm that it is inspired by the books? Collectonian (talk) 04:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I've seen lots of fan sites reference/talk about/analyze it, and if you listen to it it's quite obvious but I'll see if I can find an official reliable source. Also the Wikipedia article about the album which this song is on says in the trivia section that it is based on The Lion Witch and the Wardrobe. Heres the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathetic_EP. Underground Revolution (talk) 04:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The AP album page is also unsourced, unfortunately. Fan sites can not be used as references, so some kind of official or neutral, third party source is preferred. Collectonian (talk) 05:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I found a source from a music magazine and added it for you :) Collectonian (talk) 05:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I think this should be moved to the "5.2 Influence on popular culture" section. The Music section where it is now is a subsection of "Narnia in other Media" which holds retelling of the story in something other than book form. LloydSommerer (talk) 12:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Didn't we used to have an extensive list like section 5.2 that was deleted, by consensus? I don't want people to waste time contributing to rebuilding it (because either way, we still have it in the history and could restore it, or consensus hasn't changed and we don't need every single reference to Narnia ever). I'm going to say that, for example, the nipple reference in Friends does not merit inclusion on this page. But I'd to hear from others before I cut anything. --Cheeser1 (talk) 12:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the Friends quote is not helpful here, and have removed it. It hardly counts as being 'influenced' by Narnia; it only mentions it, and if we included it on Wikipedia every time Friends mentioned some element of pop culture, we'd end up with half our articles being lists of Friends quotes. We don't need that. Terraxos (talk) 04:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The band Silverchair is probably named after the book, but I don't have any source on this or any proof.BlackFlag30 (talk) 02:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

References

Harvard references seem to conflict with the quote mechanism. Which way out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leandrod (talk • contribs)

I would suggest leaving the quotations as-is. Fiddle around in a sandbox to try to find way to integrate the two, if you'd like. --Cheeser1 (talk) 02:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason to use a blockquote or a quote template instead of the colon indent? LloydSommerer (talk) 03:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Not that I know of, but I wasn't going to discourage the change - so long as we can first find a way at least to make it work. --Cheeser1 (talk) 03:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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