Talk:The Casbah (US music venue)
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"The Casbah" is the title of a 1948 movie based on a novel by Henri La Barthe. Leslie Bush-Fekete wrote the screenplay, and the film featured Yvonne De Carlo, Tony Martin, and Peter Lorre. More information is available at IMBD.com. [1]
- It wasn't called "The Casbah", it was mearly called "Casbah". If you intend to create an article about the movie, you should name it Casbah (Film). A disambiguation page should be made for all articles named "Casbah" thanks RiseRobotRise 05:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] See Also section
Can anyone explain why other random venues (and a few record labels) are listed in the See Also section? The record labels listed are San Diego-based, but other than that I see no direct connection with the Casbah. As far as I can tell, the only entries that really belong in that section are the "List of Venues" (which is a dubious article itself; I think a category tags works just fine) and Rock the Casbah. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Links existed before on articles that some new articles were based on, I think because the locations had a kinship in that they are smaller venues which are essential to their local scene. PT (s-s-s-s) 16:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- i have removed it. many of the items on the list had hardly a tenuous relationship to the main article. (eg. abc no rio is a basement in the lower east side of nyc. the casbah has more in common with small clubs such as the khyber in philly or the empty bottle in chicago. listing those would be inappropriate as well). ikes 22:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- how isn't it relevant? These venues opearte within the same grounds as the casbah. The Casbah is a small music venue Many bands (especially within the san diego area) play at both venues. As far as those record lebels on the list, they tend to have more of an affiliation with the casbah rather than the Che. (seeing some of these labels use the casbah to hold their recording.) I'm sorry, this list should stay. RiseRobotRise 10:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
- There are hundreds of small music venues across the country. Are you going to include them all in this list? Also, please explain what ABC No Rio has to do with the Casbah. I can see making a case for grouping ABC No Rio with Gilman and the Che, as they all operate under similar circumstances, but the Casbah is a totally different kind of establishment. It is a 21+ club. Why not list Spaceland in LA on this list? As for labels using the casbah to "hold their recording", i am sorry, i don't understand what that means. They've released live recordings from the Casbah? I don't think that warrants a link to the label from thi sage. I really don't see how this list is a benefit to anyone looking for information about the Casbah.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ikes (talk • contribs)
- Sorry, that my replies don't come immediately, seeing how extremely busy I am with my life right now. I don't know how the ABC No Rio operates, seeing how I never even heard of or been there. I can tell you that the Che Cafe and the Casbah are similar in that both mainly feature DIY musicians, and both venues are well known for their roaster of notable bands. Paper Hearts and Trunk Space are own and operated by a single owner and aren’t non-profit, unlike the Che, but both venues do feature DIY musicians. The record labels on the list are San Diego based, and do use the casbah's space for recording sessions, which then get released on band's albums, such as GoGoGo Airheart. Deleting the list would do a disservice to the article in this editor's opinion.
- There are hundreds of small music venues across the country. Are you going to include them all in this list? Also, please explain what ABC No Rio has to do with the Casbah. I can see making a case for grouping ABC No Rio with Gilman and the Che, as they all operate under similar circumstances, but the Casbah is a totally different kind of establishment. It is a 21+ club. Why not list Spaceland in LA on this list? As for labels using the casbah to "hold their recording", i am sorry, i don't understand what that means. They've released live recordings from the Casbah? I don't think that warrants a link to the label from thi sage. I really don't see how this list is a benefit to anyone looking for information about the Casbah.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ikes (talk • contribs)
- how isn't it relevant? These venues opearte within the same grounds as the casbah. The Casbah is a small music venue Many bands (especially within the san diego area) play at both venues. As far as those record lebels on the list, they tend to have more of an affiliation with the casbah rather than the Che. (seeing some of these labels use the casbah to hold their recording.) I'm sorry, this list should stay. RiseRobotRise 10:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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- PS Why not list the Spaceland in LA on the list, doesn't sound like a bad idea :) --RiseRobotRise 05:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- "I don't know how the ABC No Rio operates, seeing how I never even heard of or been there" - This illustrates my point that this list is a handpicked list of entities with very little relation to the main article. You've included a small co-op performance/art/community space in the Lower East Side of Manhattan in an article about a club in San Diego (and you've admitted you have no idea about ABC No Rio, so why did you include it?). This is supposed to be an encyclopedic article about the Casbah. Final point, the Casbah doesn't "mainly feature DIY musicians". They feature touring bands. Just like any of the hundreds of clubs of this size around the country. Again, I will state that this list really shouldn't be included with the article, as it is not germain to the topic. ikes 17:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- PS Why not list the Spaceland in LA on the list, doesn't sound like a bad idea :) --RiseRobotRise 05:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Your final point is most definitely incorrect. Its most well known aspect is the fact that it supports and hosts underground punk/indie/avant garde/scene type of music. It has been that way since the eighties. Its known relationship with the local scene/punk/noise/indie bands/labels would even further suggest so. The fact that they allow gogogo airheart and other GSL bands to record and practice in their space. The fact that they allow free shows for bands such as kill me tomorrow in order to promote them. (you would also assume that because of this, the venue has a direct connection with these smaller, yet well known punk/indie/noise/etc. labels).
- Okay lets move on to your first statement when you said "and you've admitted you have no idea about ABC No Rio, so why did you include it?". Did you not check the histroy for this Wikipedia article? I did not add that link. Before you make an accusation against an editor. Please refer to that editor's or in this case, the article's history. It was user Parsssseltongue who added those links. Not me. I can only assume he added the ABC no rio due to the fact that it probably hosts similar bands as the Che and the Casbah. -- RiseRobotRise 07:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, i jumped the gun on that accusation. Sorry. My point, though, is still valid. ABC No Rio books similar bands, fine, but so do hundreds of clubs around the country - The Empty Bottle, The Khyber, The Middle East, Cat's Cradle, 7th Street Entry, and about 10 of them in New York City. A list of all of these would not be appropriate for the article. What is appropriate is attaching the category of music venue to the article, which has been done. Then readers could check out that category for other clubs similar to this. I think that this is the correct way of providing more information to readers, rather than cherry picking a club or two from around the US. ikes 17:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
- Why not just do the same for all the venue articles? The list of U.S. concert venues dosn't just include DIY centered music clubs, like the no rio or the che. It includes almost any and all music venues you can mention, DIY centered or not. Perhaps we should make a list of DIY centered U.S. concert venues? RiseRobotRise 20:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think having a DIY venue list would be a good idea. I do not, however, think that the Casbah should on that list as it is a bar and not a DIY venue. Although it operates differently than the Che, there is some sense in them being linked together as they are located in the same town. ABC No Rio should not be linked though as it operates very differently than the Casbah and is also across the country. I am guessing it was added because it was linked in the Che article. hotdiggitydogs 00:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, the Casbah is more well known for being a music venue than it is for being a bar. (having a bar would be a better choice of words). And yes it also hosts many indie bands, classifying as simply a bar wouldn't be correct. Creating a list of DIY centered music venues could be a good idea. I might've done it myself, but I don't have the time to dispute it on AFD in the event of a deletionist deciding to poke about. RiseRobotRise 06:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- I think having a DIY venue list would be a good idea. I do not, however, think that the Casbah should on that list as it is a bar and not a DIY venue. Although it operates differently than the Che, there is some sense in them being linked together as they are located in the same town. ABC No Rio should not be linked though as it operates very differently than the Casbah and is also across the country. I am guessing it was added because it was linked in the Che article. hotdiggitydogs 00:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Why not just do the same for all the venue articles? The list of U.S. concert venues dosn't just include DIY centered music clubs, like the no rio or the che. It includes almost any and all music venues you can mention, DIY centered or not. Perhaps we should make a list of DIY centered U.S. concert venues? RiseRobotRise 20:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, i jumped the gun on that accusation. Sorry. My point, though, is still valid. ABC No Rio books similar bands, fine, but so do hundreds of clubs around the country - The Empty Bottle, The Khyber, The Middle East, Cat's Cradle, 7th Street Entry, and about 10 of them in New York City. A list of all of these would not be appropriate for the article. What is appropriate is attaching the category of music venue to the article, which has been done. Then readers could check out that category for other clubs similar to this. I think that this is the correct way of providing more information to readers, rather than cherry picking a club or two from around the US. ikes 17:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Bands that have played the casbah
Can we get rid of this list? The Casbah has existed for more than 15 years, with 2 or 3 bands playing just about every night. A comprehensive "notable" list would be way too long, and really serve no purpose. ikes 22:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I absolutly totally 100% agree with on that one. We should also do the same for the Bands list on the Che Cafe article --RiseRobotRise 05:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Alrighty. We agree. I have removed it ikes 17:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
