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[edit] Trvivia?

The Trivia section is a bit messed up. It's just a list of bands that they've influenced or had their songs covered by. No real interesting facts abuot the band like you might expect. Might it be renamed "Legacy" or "Influence" or something, then made into paragraphs? Monkeynutter

Sounds reasonable to me! InvictaHOG 11:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Is anybody going to supply a picture of the band, or should we delete the box altogether here? 147.70.242.21 23:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gram/Gene Clark/Parsons

Hi, can someone just confirm that Gram Parsons, Gene Clark and Gene Parsons are in fact three entirely separate people (I'm trying to clean-up another article without knowing a whole lot about this subject area, please forgive my ignorance!) Jdcooper 18:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they are 3 separate people. Gram Parsons (born Cecil Ingram Connor) & Gene Parsons are no relation. Gene Clark (born Harold Eugene Clark) is also not related.Budrocket 09:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chesnut Mare, written with...

...New York psychologist Jacques Levy for "Gene Tryp", a C&W musical version of Henrik Ibsen's "Peer Gynt"... Stephan Koenig (still my pleasure, anyway).

[edit] Not to nit-pick...

This thing reads like an advertisement. Way off what the wiki should be going for.

I've taken out "The Byrds are widely considered to have been one of the most important and influential bands of the 1960s", which, apart from being weasel words, is equally true of a couple of dozen other bands. 83.70.35.36 21:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One weird thing

Why is the source for McGuinn being the only Byrd to play on "Mr Tambourine Man" a CNN article from 2006?? This has been common knowledge since the 1970s, and appears in every book about the band. This source seems misleading, because it makes the fact look like either rumour, or something recently discovered. Does it need a source at all? It's just a plain fact, like the Monkees not playing on their early records.

I've changed it for now, anyway. MrBronson 03:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Also made it look less like "an advert". Quite a bold rewrite in some parts, but the same information is there, and it's still basically the same article. Just tightened it up, added missing links and took out all the POV stuff. Still needs a bit more work. MrBronson 05:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

This should be incorporated into the existing text. See WP:TRIV. John Reaves 00:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Tom Petty, whose early single American Girl was sometimes mistaken by some listeners for a Byrds outtake or reunion recording, has covered So You Want To Be A Rock'N'Roll Star and I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better.
Hüsker Dü covered Eight Miles High on an early single.
Roxy Music covered Eight Miles High on their 1980 Flesh and Blood album.
Robyn Hitchcock, who counts the Byrds as one of his biggest influences, has covered numerous of their songs both live and on record, amongst them: Bells Of Rhymney, Chimes Of Freedom, Draft Morning, Eight Miles High, I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better, Hickory Wind, Mr. Spaceman, Mr. Tambourine Man, Wild Mountain Thyme and You Ain't Going Nowhere.
Roger McGuinn testified on July 11, 2000 for a U.S. Senate committee that The Byrds never received the royalties they were promised for their biggest hits, Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn! Turn! Turn!; they only received an advance that was split five ways and only amounted to "a few thousand dollars" per bandmember.^[1]
Ride, An early 90's UK Shoegazer band, lists The Byrds as a primary influence. This influence is best demonstrated on the song "Like a Daydream" from their 1990 "Play" EP, or on the 1992 EP compilation "Smile", as well as on the entirety of the 1994 album, "Carnival of Light".
Swervedriver, another 90's Shoegazer band also pays tribute to The Byrds with the song "The Birds" from their 1998 Album "99th Dream".

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[edit] McGuinn, Clark and Hillman

I was considering redirecting this here, but this article doesn't mention this conglomeration of three Byrds members who scored a top forty hit in 1979. Anyone here capable of tackling it? Chubbles 12:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Years active

I fail to see a reason why "1989-1990" should not be added to to the "Years Active" section. The band toured and recorded new material under the Byrds name. Those who revert my edit in that section should provide a reason as to why it shouldn't be there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.199.244.228 (talk) 16:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, first, the onus is on you to provide a reason why it should included, since you want to add something. Secondly, there is a great deal of dispute of what constitutes the Byrds proper. A discussion of this in the article would be valid, as long as there are sources. But for the info box, it needs to be only the most uncontroversial information. Similar discussions at The Beatles have taken place, as to whether the new material for the Anthology series count as The Beatles proper. I believe we should use that as a precedent. freshacconcispeaktome 16:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

"Well, first, the onus is on you to provide a reason why it should included"

As I have already said two times, the band toured and recorded new material as "The Byrds". That, coupled with the legal ruling that any unit not containing the members who toured in 1990 as "The Byrds" could not use the Byrds name, should be reason enough to include it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.199.244.228 (talk • contribs)

Fair enough. We should wait for other editors to weigh in, however. And I need to find some information about policies and guidelines for infoboxes, about what is acceptable. freshacconcispeaktome 16:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it could be amended to read something like "1964-1973, reunion 1989-1990", comparable to the Cream article.63.199.244.228 (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)