Talk:The Bulmershe School

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nearly a startVictuallers 11:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] DFES award winner

The original article stated that "Bulmershe was a consecutive three-time winner of the Department for Education and Skills (DfES) School Improvement award in 2001, 2002 and 2003." The only source quoted for this statement was the school's own prospectus. No doubt the statement can be verified elsewhere. Can someone provide a reliable written source so that this statement can be reinstated in the article. I can find nothing on the DFES website. Dahliarose 12:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Citations added... robwingfield «T•C» 17:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The Kingfisher Table Tennis Club is on the same premises as the school so it should logically belong on the page. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is not supposed to be reprint the contents of school prospectuses and OFSTED reports. Dahliarose 16:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No, the club should have its own article if the club is noteworthy. A "see also" could be added to this article. WP is an encyclopaedia, and that means that we should include information from sources such as prospectuses and OFSTED reports, and not include information that is original research or cannot be verified. The fact that information you removed is verified by the sources provided means it is valid to include, as they are distinctive features of the school. Not trying to start an argument here - happy to discuss to reach consensus if you have a differing opinion. robwingfield «T•C» 17:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree the Kingfisher Club could perhaps go in a See also section or perhaps be included in the external links. It might not be connected to the school but it is on the school premises and the fact that it has produced so many international table tennis players is particularly noteworthy. The inclusion of such a statement in the article will help to boost its credibility and avoid being referred again for deletion. Dahliarose 17:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've corrected the See also to point to the Kingfisher article (as per WP MoS), which doesn't currently exist. I'll leave it to you to create. robwingfield «T•C» 18:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The statement about the DFES award three times in succession is I'm sure worthy of inclusion but it needs further explanation. What sort of improvements did the school make? Were the awards for behaviour, exam results or something else altogether. The prospectus is very vague and as it is produced by the school it is not an independent reference. Dahliarose 17:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've no idea what sort of improvements were made. I don't have a source for that. Independent reference is irrelevant - it is a source from a Government organisation (a school). robwingfield «T•C» 18:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've now answered my own question on the DFES award scheme and I've included a reference to the appropriate DFES page. It seems to, however, me that the Sportsmark award was part of this scheme, not an addition to it. If so, the article will need changing and/or clarifying.Dahliarose 18:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to do so. robwingfield «T•C» 18:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what the situation is so I will leave it to someone else to correct if they feel the need to so so. I've now removed the ref. to the school prospectus as the school didn't name the Award correctly and it is very misleading (hence my query in the first place). Two references should suffice anyway.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dahliarose (talk • contribs) 00:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Special needs etc

This point has been lost in the above debate so I am repeating it below as it still needs sorting out.

I appreciate that the statements you make about the numbers of special needs pupils and the ethnic breakdown of the pupils is verifiable but the point I was trying to make is that there seems to be no point including such statements in the article. There must be many other schools in the country with similar profiles so why is the Bulmershe any different? If there is a reason for including such statements you need to provide further explanation to merit their inclusion. At the moment there is nothing which explains why these statements are particularly noteworthy. If you look at all the other Berkshire school Wiki pages none of them mention special needs and minorities. The information is readily available on the first page of the OFSTED report (which is what any parent would look at first anyway). The only point which might be worth mentioning is that the school has a special behavioural unit. Dahliarose 00:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oops... didn't reply to that bit! Okay, well my opinion would be that precisely because the special needs figure is high and ethnic make-up of the school is so diverse they should be included. Bulmershe has the Newtown area of Reading as part of its catchment area... Newtown's ethnic majority is Asian and Afro-Caribbean. I certainly wouldn't expect there to be many schools where a third of the pupils are not "White British", and where a quarter of the pupils have special educational needs. The OFSTED inspectors certainly thought it noteworthy enough to include in their report summary. As a side note, well done - your edits have improved the article a lot, and it's also spurred me on to make some additional edits of my own!  :-) robwingfield «T•C» 01:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for expanding the box. The article is now coming together very well and is looking very good. I take your point about the composition of the school. I've expanded the paragraph based on the contents of the OFSTED report to put everything into context, though I can't find a more recent figure for the student population than 2004 from the OFSTED report. OFSTED does in fact report on the proportion of special needs pupils and the ethnic breakdown for every school. Bulmershe does seem to have an unusual mix for a Wokingham District school but probably not for many inner-city schools elsewhere. I hadn't realised that so much of the intake came from Reading. Dahliarose 12:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The Bulmershe School logo.jpg

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BetacommandBot 02:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is it worth adding famous former pupils?

Would it be encyclopedic to add famous former pupils? The Hoosiers and James Henry (footballer) went to Bulmershe. 86.135.209.39 (talk) 09:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Henry didn't got to Bulmershe, apparently he went to Waingels. I assumed he went to Bulmershe as he grew up in Woodley86.135.209.39 (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)