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Jacob Bronck? Whoever put that there, are you sure?? I always learned his name was Jonas Bronck. -BRG

Nobody's responded, and I've sen the name given as Joseph in another place. I've changed it to cite all these variants, and also put it into the "Bronx County" article. - BRG

So who the hell is James Jones? Rojomoke 10:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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One of the worst reputations for what? DanKeshet

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Bronx County and Bronx are now the same article, because they talk about the same place. WhisperToMe 18:30, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Contents 1 The Bronx or the Bronx 2 Move 3 The Bronx Bombers 4 Delete "See Also" 5 South bronx fires 6 200th Street? 7 Poorest County? 8 C'est le Bronx??? 9 Only borough on US mainland? 10 Canal 11 Redlining 12 Demographics 13 Transportation - Railroads 14 Transportation - Highways 15 Transportation - Bridges 16 Transportation - Roads - Can we remove the trivia? 17 Education 18 Pics 19 The Spanish word bronca deriving from the Bronx 20 "The Bronx" or the "Bronx" : Citation needed? Rename? 21 Image of the housing project and car 22 Ambiguous wording on population decrease 23 Page Move 24 Hispanic Majority? 25 Fair use rationale for Image:South bronx.jpg 26 No it isn't. 27 Tall buildings 28 Requested move 28.1 Survey 28.2 Discussion 29 Extent of Yankee Stadium's fame

[edit] The Bronx or the Bronx

I don't agree with replacing "the Bronx" with "The Bronx." Common usage dicates that when talking about the Bronx in the middle of the sentence (like I just did in this sentence), "the" is not capitalized. This is the same as talking about the United States. I'm tempted to revert immediately, but would like some feedback first. --BaronLarf 22:42, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)

My initial reaction was to agree with "The Bronx", but a few google searches changed my mind; I now agree with BaronLarf; it should be "the Bronx". All of the NY Times, the NYC Government, and the US Census bureau seem to use "the Bronx" (except, of course, at the beginning of a sentence). Try searching for "in the bronx" site:www.nyc.gov, for example. --RoySmith 00:45, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Of course the correct usage is "the Bronx" (lower case "t") if in the middle of a sentence; likewise "the Bronx River", etc. I am changing all of the incorrect "The"s to "the" - don't know why it wasn't done yet. Capitalizing "the" in the middle of a sentence is moronic and is never done. Tvoz 06:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move

Either have this at The Bronx or Bronx County, New York, not Bronx. --Jiang 11:22, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The Bronx Bombers

Hey Bletch, what on God's green earth is "inapropriate" about calling the Yankees the Bronx Bombers? It's a pretty common nickname that makes the point about where they actually play, a point rather relevant to this particular borough. I don't think anyone could really be confused by this, given that the caption is explicitly labelled "Yankee Stadium".--Pharos 04:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If I weren't familiar with baseball, that caption would make me think that a team named the Bronx Bombers played in Yankee Stadium. Rhobite 04:35, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Delete "See Also"

What do people think of the "See Also" section. I'm thinking most of the links don't really add much to the Bronx article and we could just delete the whole section. --RoySmith 17:04, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] South bronx fires

The article claims, "the destruction of nearly half of the buildings in the South Bronx". Does anybody have a reference for this difficult to believe statement?

[edit] 200th Street?

Can some one clarify what that is all about or why its important? For someone not from NYC, this is a very odd way to start a section. --67.184.239.70 23:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

It is not important, even for someone from NYC. Can it be removed? Jd2718 04:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poorest County?

"Though the Bronx's crime rate has plummeted in recent years, it was named as the poorest county in the United States in 2005."

This is at the start of the article. I'm almost certain it's untrue. Nach0king 19:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

You are right. According to the United States Census Bureau data for 2003 (MS Excel format), Bronx county is 349th out of 3141 counties in the United States in median household income. Scanning thru the lowest 100, I could not find a single urban county. I doubt that the 2005 figures have been released (2003 is the most recent on census.gov), and even if they had, I can't imagine that it could have changed that dramatically. The statement in the article needs to go. I will remove it. --rogerd 20:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I was pretty sure I'd read somewhere that it was some place in the Dakotas or Oklahoma that was poorest. I guess that was right. Nach0king 10:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The Bronx is not the poorest county, but it is very very poor, especially considering the region it is in. Some reference to the high poverty rate must be included. Would: "By many measures, the Bronx appears to be the poorest urban area in the United States." work? Here are some statistics that might help:

The Bronx is one of five counties in the US where over 30% of households consist of families headed by single women. Three of the five are Indian reservations in South Dakota; the fourth is Holmes County, Mississippi

The Bronx is the only county in the northeast quarter of the US (north of the Ohio River; east of the Great Plains) where more than 40% of children live in families below poverty (43.1% according to ACS 2004).

It is the only county in the same area where more than 30% of the populaton lives below the poverty line.

Congressional District 16 (entirely in The Bronx, covering most of the South Bronx) has the highest poverty rate in the US (40.2%; the next highest rate is 32.4%).

Congressional District 16 also has the highest proportion of children living below poverty (50.1%; the next highest is 42.2%), and the lowest median household income.

The data cited above was by county, and the poorest counties have small populations. There is nothing as poor as large as the Bronx in the United States. I have a secondary source using 2000 cnesus data and 2004 American Community Survey division of the Census Bureau data. I can source back to the raw data, if necy. Jd2718 05:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The Bronx is the poorest county over 1 million in population and contains the poorest congressional district in the USA. What should also be mention is the Bronx has significantly higher living cost then all counties rated poorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.107.86 (talk) 22:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] C'est le Bronx???

"Bronx" has become synonymous with violent or messy areas. For instance, in casual French, "c'est le Bronx" stands for "what a mess." According to whom? Having studied in both France & Quebec I can say that slang french expressions are typically based of regional traditions, not american city boroughs. Have never heard this phrase before. --Katwmn6 21:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and delete it if you feel it is wrong. I also have not heard of that expression, but then again I don't speak French, and my only excursions outside of the U.S. have been to Niagara Falls, Ontario. --rogerd 22:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

C'est le Bronx is a widely used expression in French when you wanna speak about a very violent city or neighborhood. I've heard and used this expression thousand of times, and I'm a French citizen, born and raised in Paris suburbs.

--Revas 20:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

A citation would be nice for this - I don't doubt what you're saying, but it's not common knowledge to non-French-speaking people, so if someone can post a citation that would be great. Tvoz 05:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only borough on US mainland?

If Manhattan borders and is contiguos with the Bronx, surely it is part of the mainland too. What am I missing? 81.98.89.195 02:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The borough of Manhattan borders the Bronx but almost all of their border is along the Harlem River. The neighborhood of Marble Hill, however, is on the north (Bronx) side of the river, and receives, for example, fire and postal services from Bronx-based offices for reasons of convenience, but is legally considered part of Manhattan. The reason for this is explained in that article. However, Manhattan Island (the long, skinny island on which one finds lots of skyscrapers, Central Park, etc.) is an island. The borough of Manhattan consists of Manhattan Island, plus a few smaller nearby islands and Marble Hill. Izzycat 16:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canal

The reason that is, because of what happened after the US Civil War, The US Army Corps of Engineers carved a shortcut canal through the northern tip of Manhattan Island called the Harlem River Shipping Canal and the gooseneck part of the river was filled in and built upon. So now the north end of Manhattan Island was cutoff and fused to the Bronx, but it is still legally in New York County and not in Bronx County, OK?

69.121.69.166 21:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redlining

The process is well-described --

"Another factor may have been the shift by insurance companies and banks to stop offering financial services to the Bronx and other working-class industrial areas (the "Rustbelt") in favor of the booming suburbs in "the Sunbelt"— a process known as redlining."

-- but the terms' "Rustbelt" and "Sunbelt" are not, afaik, used in the context of Bronx redlining. Is there a source for them? Jd2718 03:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics

By using the census racial categories, the most identifiable aspect of Bronx demography is obscured: the Bronx is the second most Hispanic county on the eastern seaboard, the Bronx is the most Puerto Rican county outside of Puerto Rico itself. There are now 200,000 Dominicans living in the Bronx. The significant West Indian population is not mentioned at all. And the most prominent part of the section belongs to the bulleted list for 11% of the population with European origins. How about dumping the census racial data, and expanding the European origins list to encompass everybody (including Albanians)? Jd2718 05:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation - Railroads

Relatively minor - How many lines service the Bronx? The Hudson line runs along the Harlem and Hudson Rivers. The tracks that run through the center of the Bronx carry trains destined for both the New Haven and the Harlem lines, but in the Bronx they run as one line. Should this be changed to two lines servicing the Bronx? Jd2718 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation - Highways

The selection of three main expressways seems too limited. The Henry Hudson Parkway, the Major Deegan, the Bronx River Parkway, the Sheriden Expressway, the Cross Bronx Expressway, The New England Thruway, the Hutchinson River Parkway, and the Bruckner Expressway all run through the Bronx. Should they all go in? Jd2718 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is probably best to cover all bases. — Larry V (talk) 06:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation - Bridges

Should any/some/all bridges be included? The Bronx Whitestone Bridge and the Throgs Neck Bridge connect the Bronx to Queens, and carry high way traffic. The Triborough Bridge connects the Bronx to Queens and Manhattan, and carries highway traffic. There are eight or nine local bridges, carrying local vehicles and pedestrians, two more less prominent highway bridges (Henry Hudson Bridge and the Alexander Hamilton Bridge, and a few railroad bridges (4?). Jd2718 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

All bridges should probably be included, yes. — Larry V (talk) 06:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation - Roads - Can we remove the trivia?

Suggested edits:

Delete the 2nd paragraph. (200th street trivia)

Delete the 4th paragraph. (zip code trivia)

Replace the 1st paragraph with

The Bronx street grid is irregular. Much of the west Bronx follows the Manhattan street grid, and some of the streets are numbered. The west Bronx's hilly terrain, however, leaves a much freer street grid than Manhattan's tight gridiron. Because the street numbering carries over from upper Manhattan, the lowest numbered street in the Bronx is East 132 St. The east Bronx is considerably flatter and the street layout tends to be more regular. However only the Wakefield section picks up the numbered street grid.

Current 1st paragraph

Many of the Bronx's streets are numbered, but unlike the street numbering systems in Brooklyn and Queens, the Bronx's system is a continuation of the Manhattan street grid. Because of this, the lowest numbered street in the borough is 132nd Street in the South Bronx, and the highest is 263rd Street in Riverdale. The numbered street grid is far from regular, as some numbers are simply skipped altogether in certain locations; other neighborhoods have no numbered streets at all. The notion that the more "urban" neighborhoods are the ones with numbered streets is a broad generalization; while the more built-up western half of the borough which is closer to Manhattan is where the streets tend to be numbered, the wooded Fieldston section of Riverdale has numbered streets while blighted neighborhoods such as Hunts Point and Soundview do not.

Replace the 3rd paragraph with

Three major north-south thoroughfares run between Manhattan amd the Bronx: Third Avenue, Park Avenue, and Broadway. Other major north-south roads include the Grand Concourse, Jerome Avenue, Webster Avenue, and White Plains Road. Major east-west streets include Gun Hill Road, Fordham Road, Pelham Parkway, and Tremont Avenue. Many east-west streets are prefixed with either "East" or "West," to indicate on which side of Jerome Avenue they lie.

Current 3rd paragraph

Some north-south thoroughfares continue from Manhattan into the Bronx; examples include Third Avenue—above which the IRT Third Avenue Line once ran (in Manhattan until 1955 and in the Bronx until 1973)—Park Avenue, and Broadway. Other major roads, such as the Grand Concourse and Fordham Road, are located only in the Bronx. Like Manhattan, the streets are designated either "East" or "West," with the divider being Jerome Avenue (the divider in Manhattan is Fifth Avenue).

My writing is far from perfect, but some of this improvement is necessary Jd2718 01:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the section needs cleanup. I have enacted your suggestions, with minor changes of my own. Thanks a lot! — Larry V (talk) 03:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Education

Each college has its own Wikipedia article, and this article is long. If there are no objections I will collapse the college info to one paragraph, parallel with the high schools. Jd2718 02:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

I removed the picture of a night game at Yankee Stadium because we have the picture of Monument Park in the Stadium, which is referenced in the text and I think makes more sense than the game shot, and the text doesn't support two photos for Yankee stadium: it's just a short mention. Maybe someone can find or take a picture of the Hall of Fame (on the old NYU uptown campus) - that would be a nice addition to that section, supported by the text. Also, the way they were placed didn't really look too good, and ran way down into movies - this way Grandmaster Flash gets his own space as he should, based on the fact that there's appropriately a whole paragraph on hip hop, and the pictures aren't all running together. Tvoz 05:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

And there is also a small shot of the Yankees' field in the bottom template Tvoz 05:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Spanish word bronca deriving from the Bronx

I'm afraid that's not quite true. The word is probably older than the Bronx itself User:Malinskchen Malinskchen

[edit] "The Bronx" or the "Bronx" : Citation needed? Rename?

Per #The Bronx or the Bronx above, I've placed a citation-needed tag within ¶2 as it doesn't seem clear whether "Bronx" or "The Bronx" is the "official borough name"; visiting some of the external links provided plus the first few Google results suggests to me that if there is an official borough name, it's more likely to be "Bronx".

Results from the US Geological Survey's website [1] and from the US Census Bureau's website [2] (NB ACS: 2003 ACS Narrative Profile for Bronx Borough) seem to suggest the same.

In lieu of any official citation otherwise, therefore, perhaps the article ought to be renamed to "Bronx" or "Bronx County" while ensuring (1) redirects are in place; and (2) references along the lines of the above (or, preferably, something (even) more official) are included. "The Bronx" may then be described as a recognized moniker. Thanks in advance for any clarification, David Kernow (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
PS Many (most? all?) of the articles on neighborhoods etc seem to use "Bronx" rather than "The Bronx" in their names.

Your ps is correct. The people who write neighborhood list articles tend to like official names. But this encyclopedia is not prescriptivist. Local usage says that they are wrong, no matter what the first three google links say. The signs on the highway say "Welcome to the Bronx" and I'll hunt down as many refs as you would like for local usage. Jd2718 03:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me it is "The Bronx". Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 03:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Jd2718 and Pacific CH for your input; I've rephrased the article's opening in an attempt to clarify the situation and include a <ref>; hope it's acceptable. Best wishes, David (talk) 03:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Local usage is absolutely inclusive of the word "the" before "Bronx" (capitalized or not is another matter). No doubt about that. However, I don't think that makes anyone who claims an "offical", "prescriptivist", name for the borough (or the county) as simply "Bronx" as wrong. Further, not to get too "Miracle on 34th Street" on everyone, but the US Postal Service considers the name to be "Bronx, New York". Shoreranger 18:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• New York City has 5 boroughs (Manhattan, The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island). It also has 5 counties, which correspond one-to-one with the boroughs (New York County, Bronx County, Kings County, Queens County, and Richmond County). Staten Island says in the beginning of the article is article is about the borough in New York City. Bronx says, "Bronx" and "Bronx County, New York" redirect here.. The lack of uniformity makes it hard to figure out what the right answer is. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This article should be renamed for two reasons: 1) The official name of the Borough is "Borough of the Bronx," (as distinguished from "Borough of Brooklyn" "Borough of Manhattan" etc.), as seen here in this pdf planning document from the Bronx Borough President's office. http://bronxboropres.nyc.gov/en/gv/president/strategicpolicy.pdf 2) Even if 1) were otherwise, this debate goes beyond what is the "official" name listed on some dusty ledgers somewhere and into what is understood in common American culture. Everybody knows that the place is and has been called "The Bronx" in common parlance and in literature and pop culture for generations. To eliminate the "The" in the title is to follow the rule book out the window. People who are unfamiliar with New York but see or hear "the Bronx" in innumerable novels, newspaper and magazine articles, TV shows, movies, websites, etc., will be a little confused by the absence of the definite article from the title. The Interloafer 04:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• I couldn't be in any stronger agreement that the article should be moved back to "The Bronx". Alansohn 04:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I was shocked to the "the" dropped from the title of this entry. Nobody ever says "I'm going up to Bronx." or "I'm from Bronx." You say "I'm going up to the Bronx." and "I'm from the Bronx." We should change it back. futurebird 04:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• Agree with above comments. Should be renamed. (and then maybe talk about get neighborhoods in Queens renamed, per local usage, Jamaica, NY, etc) Jd2718 04:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, an informal poll of New Yorkers at livejournal favors "The Bronx" http://community.livejournal.com/newyorkers/3222883.html futurebird 17:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image of the housing project and car

I don't think this is a fair representation of what most of the Bronx looks like. A photograph of some of the houses on grand concourse would make more sense. Large parts of the bronx are fairly well-off suburbs. This photo is more how outsiders see the bronx.... back in 1984. Things are really different. Can we find a better photo?

futurebird 11:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Most of the Bronx is highly URBAN and housing projects and stripped cars a reality for many neighborhoods. Few areas in the Bronx are suburban and many areas are unfortunately very poor. Public housing is the largest landmark in many sections of the borough so a photograph of a NYCHA development is justified in an article about the Bronx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.107.86 (talk) 22:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ambiguous wording on population decrease

Its population has increased since a decline that began after the 1960 census. What does this mean exactly? An increase is going on, that started sometime after a decline from 1960? Piperdown 21:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Move

Didn't we talk about this? Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 00:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hispanic Majority?

From the 2005 Census Estimate:

• Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2005 (b) 51.3%

Jd2718 14:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:South bronx.jpg

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[edit] No it isn't.

Who says the Yankees Stadium is one of the most famous in the world!? It is a stadium of a simply American game (so just one country holds it in fame) and there is also no source to prove this. Is this called a weasel word or something? May I please remove the bias, or somebody try to show that it is famous? 81.105.100.178 (talk) 12:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC).

Well, apparently you've heard of it somehow. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 12:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I've heard of it because I just read the article!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.100.178 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 24 December 2007

The Wembley Stadium article makes a similar claim and similarly without proof. Yet I accept it, because I've heard of it. That would be "original research", I suppose. How would you go about proving that any particular structure, stadium or otherwise, is well-known beyond its neighborhood? How would you prove the Taj Mahal is famous, for example? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 12:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Because there are writings and journals about it from around the world? I thought there should be no bias on Wikipedia anyway. I imagine that if government websites promote these as tourist sites or they have a national conservation grant that would make them famous. For example if the Bronx website said; "The Yankees stadium is a very famous one, visited by thousands from all around the world every year", that could be quoted. Likewise with Wembley. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC).

Folks, there are 269,000 Google hits to "Yankee Stadium" AND "famous" today. That pretty well documents "famous". There are also 40,800 hits now to "Yankee Stadium" and "most famous". However, I haven't done a comparative analysis of Yankee Stadium versus other famous stadiums. May I suggest that "famous" is a pretty solid claim, and that "most famous" probably is so -- but could be removed from the text without much harm done. Bellagio99 (talk) 14:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind so much. I just think that maybe - only going on what myself and a couple of people I've asked this morning think - this is not a stadium which is considered famous outside america. Of course, I'm not saying you should write "The stadium is not famous<ref>81.105.100.178 and his relatives' opinions on the stadium</ref>" but a couple of sources (This looks good) rather than hits which could be misleading. After all, some of those sites will be just blogs and drivel and something reliable would need picking out. Sorry if it looks like I'm trying to hassle you all :S. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2007 (UTC).

Is Babe Ruth known to you? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 19:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

No. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 23:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC).

What drew you to this subject? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to find out a possible translation of "the Bronx" for latin wikipedia and while reading, I came across the claim. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 17:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC).

Awesome. What's Latin for "The Bronx"? For that matter, what's Latin for "Yankee"? I'm guessing "Stadium" is "Stadium". Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 18:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Latin for "Yankee" is apparently "Yankius" from the Yankii Novoeboracenses. The Bronx is just "Bronx" as it stands (latin has no word for "the"). 81.105.100.178 (talk) 12:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC).

Bellagio has the right idea. Jd2718 (talk) 19:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

And I implemented it, Jd2719 in a caption edit, I think on 30December. Happy New Year to all Bronxites: past, present and future. Bellagio99 (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, and happy new year to you too (although I doubt I'll be a future Bronxite ;) ). 81.105.100.178 (talk) 12:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC).

Coincidentally, Bronxite is the mineral that the Yankees starting consuming in 1923, which turned them into champions. Since the turn of the 21st Century, it is apparently becoming scarce. d:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 12:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Google search results or personal opinions aren't reliable sources to determine anything (there are 466,000 results for "George Bush alien," so he must be an alien?). The source mentioned by 81.105.100.178 just contains a claim from the Yankees, which doesn't meet the third-party criteria. I strongly doubt that you'll find a reliable source stating that Yankee Stadium is the most famous stadium in the world. And "famous" is too vague for inclusion--how famous? to whom? in which parts of the world? Either the claim should be left out or a sourced claim that Yankee Stadium is a well-known landmark in NY could be added. MrVibrating (talk) 04:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

These sorts of links seem fairly common. How many would you like? (as far as "most famous" we shouldn't even try.) It does, though, seem silly to source what is well-known. Jd2718 (talk) 05:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can't just throw wikipedia rules at you like some but I'd say there's something saying that all substantial claims need citing. And I do consider it rather large a claim. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 08:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC).

It doesn't say THE most famous, it says "one of the most famous". How would you prove (or veriably demonstrate) that the Taj Mahal is famous, or the pyramids? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 09:21, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The claim also shows up in several of our own articles. See for instance Baseball park#Names. Can I ask the person objecting, do you feel another park is more famous? Or do you doubt the claim? Jd2718 (talk) 19:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know my baseball stadia so I can't make a comparison. I just doubt the claim that it is one of the most famous worldwide since this is a predominantly American sport and nothing is written down on the page to verify this. I wouldn't care if it said "one of America's most famous stadia" or "one of the most famous stadia in baseball". The Taj Mahal and the pyramids are huge cultural achievments and, eventhough I have no source to back me up right now, I can find several and add them to the aforementioned articles if not doing so is contradictory to my argument. 81.105.100.178 (talk) 18:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC).

I just can't let this conversation end without a couple of points. "a simply American game", is just a ridiculous statement. 25% of the players at the pro level in the USA are foreign born. Japan's own pro league has itself been in existence for over 80 years. It's the national passion of Cuba, Venezuela, the Dominican Republic, and various other Middle American states. And to get an intuitive sense of how well it is known, despite baseball only being a celebrated sport in East Asia (also South Korea and Taiwan) and the Americas, take a look at the various different languages in the Language Box in the sidebar at Yankee Stadium. There are pretty comprehensive descriptions of Yankee Stadium in the French- and Arabic-language Wikipedias, among the dozen or so different Wikipedia projects covering the subject. DBaba (talk) 06:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Bingo! d:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tall buildings

I've removed reference in the Media section to Monefiore being the borough's tallest building. First, this is the wrong section. Second, Montefiore is the building whose top is at the highest elevation. Nearby Tracey Towers is taller. Jd2718 (talk) 15:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Extent of Yankee Stadium's fame

Editors on the Bronx page spent a lot of time months ago arguing about whether Yankee Stadium is famous or world-famous. The consensus, with documentation, is that it is world-famous. I frankly, don't care, but I'd hate to see editing bogged down in this again. And it will be gone in a year: for a fun trip, take the IRT Jerome Avenue line north from 149th Street. Just past the 161st station, you'll see the existing (world)-famous Yankee Stadium followed by the new one under construction. Cheers. Bellagio99 (talk) 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)