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Contents 1 Separated Character List 2 Animation 3 Witherspoon? 4 Theme Song 5 Usage of the N-Word 6 "A Date with the Health Inspector" 7 Wigger 8 Asner 9 Riley's Intelligence 10 Citations? 11 Uncle Ruckus is black? 12 Addressed Concerns 13 NAACP award? 14 Light skin tone comment 15 Once-ler? 16 Ed Wuncler III's Famous Phrase 17 Madvillain 18 Parents 19 "guy who draws the talking penguins"? 20 Reference to Ninja Scroll? 21 Gangstalicious 22 "animé" and Asian animators 23 Reccuring character 24 White Jesus 25 Huey Freeman 26 no mention of govt spy 27 September 11th 28 Cleanup 29 References. 30 N-word ? 31 Weapons of mass destruction 32 "Just to the left of Castro"? 33 Butt Cheeks song 34 Deletion of One Time Characters 35 Navigation box 36 Episode articles 37 Userbox 38 Where is Woodcrest? 39 First animated show centered around African Americans? 40 Riley's graffitti portrait 41 Caesar 42 Characters page 43 REMOVE TRIVIA SECTION! 44 Reference link dead 45 Season 2 46 "Riley Wuz Here" and "The Joy of Painting, with Bob Ross" 47 CLEANUP 48 Mondays? 49 Move request 49.1 Comment 50 Soundtrack Listing?!?!?! 51 Main character 52 Wikiproject The Boondocks 53 Japanese Dub 54 Theme Song 55 African American Studies 56 confusing passage 57 2 Good ?'s? 58 MySpace Page

[edit] Separated Character List

Created a separate page for the Character List, but refrained from using it now - due to error in article title capitalization: List of the boondocks characters. KyuuA4 05:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animation

Needs information on the animation studios involved and animation techniques used. (someone else)

Can this series be considered an anime? Does it use the anime style? 75.34.55.108 21:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

This most definitely can be considered Anime. However I feel it lacks the type of motion you see in Anime. Of course because this is an American show so it will have American themes and etc. but if you compare it to other Anime out there it looks the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.238.147.155 (talk) 20:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I've just removed comments saying the show was anime. This is opinion and possibly original research, so it had to go. If someone wants to add a published source to back it up, then I don't have a problem with it being re-added. Henrymrx 22:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only that, but the comments of Madhouse's involvement haven't even been PROVEN. It's already been confirmed that Dong Woo Animation has done at least 3 episodes so far this season;Or Die Trying, Stinkmeaner Strikes back, and the Story of Thugnificent. Not that that's a bad thing, mind. They also did Granddad's fight back in Season 1, and are one of the best overseas animation studios in Asia, period. I mean, anyone that can make the Boondocks looks as good as they do deserves SOME kind of award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.63.189 (talk) 18:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Witherspoon?

What happened to John Witherspoon, who had been cast as the grandfather? JHVipond 15:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

He still is. I heard him on the promo. Pacific Coast Highway 01:17, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Theme Song

who sings the theme song?--Jaysscholar 04:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Asheru -- 68.234.239.109 09:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Is it a song he already made? or did he make it especially for the series? what's the title?--Jaysscholar 21:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, it was written especially for the series, as doesn't really have a title other than "Boondocks Theme Song." 68.234.239.109 12:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Not that it matters much, but the song can be downloaded from "www.myspace.com/asheru1" 65.96.98.74 04:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Is it proper to note that the entire opening sequence is simular to Samuri Champloo?--The dez 09:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

According to Aaron McGruder's fansite the theme song is written by Derryck "Big Tank" Thornton, Aaron McGruder and Gabriel Benn and performed by Asheru. Read the lyrics here: http://aaron-mcgruder.tripod.com/theme.html -mirshafie

Considering it airs right after Samurai Champloo (or did), I wouldn't doubt the authors took inspiration from that anime's artistic, hip-hop style opening sequence. I think what confirms this is that one of the kids is in Samurai apparel in the first few seconds of the opening, wielding a sword (I think).

McGruder said in an interview that Samurai Champloo is currently one of his favorite animated programs (alongside FLCL), so, yeah, it's possibly an intentional homage.

It is also said in the Wikipedia entry that the show and comic are "firmly rooted" in "anime style", which I don't really agree with. Big eyes? Check. Anything else? Nope. --velocd

Really? When I first saw the promos for this show I was sure it was an anime. Not being an expert in animation, I can't really point to a checklist containing anything other than "large eyes", but the whole coloring style screams anime. Also, in the episode where Riley, Ed, and Gin try to kidnap Oprah, the entire fight sequence between Huey and Oprah's security guard is exaggerated and dramatized with superhuman/high-tech combat moves. Workaphobia 05:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Usage of the N-Word

The N-word is 'nigga' not 'nigger'. Slight difference in the black community. Might want to edit that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.234.239.109 (talk • contribs)

My closed captioning reads it as "nigger". Pacific Coast Highway 05:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Closed captioning isn't always right, though.--BPM 22:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

True, in "Grandad's Fight" the on screen graphic says "nigga" moment. Pacific Coast Highway|^{Spam me!}

what about when they use the word and it is very heavily modified on the series I.E.: stinkermiers' saying of it as nyuka

The word itself is nigger, regardless of the phonetic corruption in the "black community". Just because the context changes doesn't make is a different word. Capitan Obvio 04:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of the argument the fact of the matter is that it uses the "Nigga" instead of "Nigger" which some would say are two different things, and others would say its the same word. [[User: Bign_forever] 05:21, 4 August 2006

[edit] "A Date with the Health Inspector"

did you find this on friday noght fix or something? cuz it wasn;t listed on AS's episode guide--Jaysscholar 19:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

guess that was vandalism--Jaysscholar 00:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Is there a reference to the whole episode being a parody of the war in iraq, I mean the store robber obviously was but the whole episode? --BerserkerBen 12:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

The Xbox Killer is a parody of Bin Ladin obviously when they know where to find him they go to the store instead of to the killer... and attack them instead - this is a precise parody of the war we start after bin ladin but then we go for saddam hussein and (maybe the robbery was the oil theory?)iraq's oil but in the process bin ladin gets away. very cleaver very acurate. you dont really need a reference to figure that out.. just some knowledge of "what's goin on?" .marvin gaye

                                          -The Watcher

[edit] Wigger

Where explicitly in the show is Ed Wuncler said to be a wigger? 209.195.139.131 16:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I added a direct quote from the show -- Riley, at least, considers Ed a 'nigga', which is his explanation for why shooting him out a window earns him no punishment.

It doesn't have to be explicitly stated at all. Ed is a white man that acts like a nigga. A white nigga is a wigger, so i dont think it has to be explicitly said since its so painfully obvious.

That's very insensitive! I prefer to use the word "Wegro".

But it doesnt speifically say in the show that Ed is a "Wigga".

It doesnt say he's a human either, do we need to confirm that too?--59.167.124.17 14:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asner

How the heck does Ed Asner not rate as a notable guest star? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.198.104 (talk • contribs)

what episode? --Jaysscholar 04:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The Garden Party, he plays Grandad's neighbor, Ed Wuncler.--Bltpdx 07:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC) (that wasn't me above)

I added him. There's lots of other potential guest stars such as Billy West, but we don't want to overdo it. Still, as anon above points out, Ed Asner is certainly notable.--Bltpdx 07:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Billy West was a guest star? Who did he voice? I say add him. TheronJ 19:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't you mean Adam West?

Other "notables" are well known voice actors (like Billy West) but with Asner he is normally not a voice actor, he uses his own voice and the character uses his likeness. Definitely not the norm!

Does this article need a section on notable guest stars? Although Ed Asner's involvement seems notable, Samuel L. Jackson and Charles Q. Murphy (both notable actors) have been in just as many if not more episodes according to the episode list. But I also agree with Bltpdx that the infobox should not get too unwieldy. As there have been a considerable number of noteworthy guest stars on the program, should we not create a table/section of 'Notable Guest Appearances' instead? --Yatta 18:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riley's Intelligence

How is it stated or implyed that he is less intelligent than Huey. He may be slightly younger, but he seems just as intelligent, if not as articulate, as his older brother. I think the sentance that denotes him as being less intelligent should be altered.

He seems to be easily caught up in the moment, but it never says or shows any compelling evidence that he's any less inteligent, I don't know how you should alter it though, but go ahead.Pixelanteninja 03:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I totally agree change it.

[edit] Citations?

Can we get a few cites on what each character is supposed to represent? Some of them I'm particularly curious about: Wunkler III represents Bush? How does that one work? - 211.28.79.52 02:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The episode "A Date with the Health Inspector" was probably the most obvious indication that EW III is an parody of GW Bush in that he wears a "W" chain, which even McGruder hinted in an interview has a meaning, and when he and "Rummy" confronted the Mini-Mart store clerk (the one resembling Saddam Hussein) the clerk responded to EW III Me and your dad (Ed Wunsler II) built this place together. which was a reference to both G. Bush I and Ronald Reagan having funded Iraq in the 80's. I've seen the parallels discussed on message boards and blogs. Even in the premiere episode, when the elder Wunlzer told Grandad (in reference to EW III) that 30 years from now, he will probably be the president of the United States and still be a F@#%ing idiot, he was talking about "Dubya". I suppose it could have been more explicitly stated, but I suspect more parallels will be presented in future eps. Luke Cage 22:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Please people, Wunkler is Bush and Rummy is well, Rumsfield. Simple enough. The citation is the show. The two directly quote both Bush and Rumsfield in all of their appearances and their activities are direct metaphors for the war on terror and Iraq. Colby 04:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

There's also the quote from The Garden Party, where Ed I says of Ed III, "In thirty years, that boy will be President of the United States... and he'll still be a f*cking idiot." Obviously a Presidential reference, but also to being pre-ordained because of his family's wealth. If that's not an allusion to GWB, I don't know what is. -- A. 03:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this article is definitely not as NPOV as it should be. The individual interpertations here are represented as fact. I.E. Tom Dubois is an Uncle Tom figure. I think perhaps to black people as in the Trial episode, he is an Uncle Tom figure, but McGruder's portrayal of Dubois seems to be mostly sympathetic. Does anyone mind if I make a few edits that state some of the conclusions drawn are personal interpretation? -Rapturerocks

Yes, I mind, because these are no one's "personal interpretations" but McGruder's. If you've never read the strip, then most of this you wouldn't know in the first place. The Adult Swim bumpers specifically stated that Tom DuBois represented "Uncle Tom", and McGruder has always portrayed him as something of a buffoon -- not to the comic extremes in the series, perhaps, but never completely sympathetic. --FuriousFreddy 03:00, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Without documentation of Mr. McGruder (or any newspaper critic, author, etc) saying, "this is what Character A represents, this is what Character B represents," any interpretation on our part has no business being in this (or any Wikipedia) article. D-Rock (Yell at D-Rock) 05:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The "W" chain probably stands for "wigger" more than anything else. --FuriousFreddy 02:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Or maybe "Wuncler", his last name? RickoniX (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Likely a double-meaning. McGruder has always been prone to dropping subtle hints like those. --FuriousFreddy 04:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

It stands for Wuncler ED's last name and it also stands for "Dubya" as in George "Dubya" Bush meaning that Ed Wuncler III portrays George W. Bush.

[edit] Uncle Ruckus is black?

Are we sure he's black? I always thought he wasn't. According to Adult Swim's website, "despite his appearance, he's part Cherokee, part Sioux and part Navajo with a splish splash of Irish" ...which to me implies that he looks black although he isn't. 68.226.61.4 03:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

It's a joke. Of course Ruckus is black. --FuriousFreddy 02:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

they even said on the show that he has irish blood... and that hes not black that he has "the grato" or something of the like... it makes him darker and darker but he really is indian...look at that baby hair lol

                              -The watcher

There is no such thing as "re-vitiligo." Again, that's part of the joke.

It's a joke. It's a play on many African-Americans quick to claim that they are 1/32 [insert another Native American tribe] - dizzle 06:41, March 18, 2006 (UTC)

Part of the genius of this character is that he is a self hating black man.

if you watch for the canceled episode Ruckus takes a test to see his heritage and the results come back saying that he is 103% black with a 3% chance of error —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.190.252 (talk) 01:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Addressed Concerns

I addressed concerns that I had about NPOV and the other concern about wigger, and also 66.226.61.4's concerns. I am not sure who affirms that Ruckus is of Indian ancestry, so we'll have to wait for that to be addressed in the show. --Rapturerocks 17:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

It is addressed in the Itis episode. --81.96.243.234 19:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NAACP award?

I notice an "acclaim" section mentioning the show's nomination for an NAACP image award was removed.. why wouldn't this be included? Rob T Firefly 19:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

No idea. Add it back, with proper citation. dposse 22:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Light skin tone comment

I don't belive this is an issue. Robert Freeman's skin tone does not need to be related to his heritage because the majority of the African American populice is of mixed heritage. The Freeman's skin tone is basically a default of most african americans in this nation. And one person out of a whole family of really dark people an very little european in their family can have a fairly light complextion. If you're going to make a skin Tom Dubois skin is the same tone: the same could be said of him but it isn't. I motion it to be removed. Nadiasama 23:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed. They were referring to all of the Freemans being supposedly "light" in tone (it was the old possessive/plural grammatical error). For anyone wondering, the Freemans aren't the color they are (which isn't even light skinned; they're just on the lighter side of "medium-skinned") as some sort of subcontext; they're just rendered to be the same color as their creator, Aaron McGruder. --FuriousFreddy 05:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The skin tones of every black person on the show varies just as in real life. MrBlondNYC 14:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought a running joke was that Uncle Ruckus was supposed to be "Blacker" than the Freeman's and that drives him crazy.

132.241.245.49 02:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Once-ler?

Seems to me the Wuncler/Once-ler allusion is an obvious one, shouldn't it be mentioned in the main article along with the other referential names? - Kevingarcia 08:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

wow, i didnt catch that at all. good find--Jaysscholar 20:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ed Wuncler III's Famous Phrase

Everytime he's in a crowd when something outrageous happens to him, he always says, "The f[bleep] y'all looking at?!!" WHY DOES HE SAY IT?!!! Wikifan06 01:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

He needs a reason? Kevingarcia 06:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Madvillain

In Let's Nab Oprah, the three songs are from Madvillainy. should it be noted?--Jaysscholar 20:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Madvillain song is in Wingmen, when Grandpa finds his friend making out with the girl he was courting at the time. I would say that the connection should most definitely be added. Could possibly even have something to do with the fact that MF Doom has worked with the Adult Swim crew a number of times previously (e.g. the Danger Doom album and he's also hosted a marathon)65.83.40.130 15:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parents

I added that their parents died, as there is much evidence that shows they died. I have an image of the mual if anyone want to include it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Huey_and_Riley%27s_Parents.png MacUsr 06:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that was supposed to be the boys' parents. I think it was supposed to be a young Grandma and Granddad. Looking closely at the wedding album Riley borrowed from, I noticed two thing. One, the "just married" car doesn't look very modern and, two, all the photos are black-and-white. The boys parents' wedding photos would almost certainly be in color, whereas Granddad probably wouldn't be.

Not rock solid, I know, but something to ponder. Tony 03:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Dang but that photo took a long time to load. At anyrate, I agree. That could be their parents or it could be Grandpa and his wife (the wife being the one no longer with them). From the black & white photo album, pictured car and the fact that it sure looked like the images we've seen so far of young grandpa, I'd say it was the latter. Given that no clear statement was made, I would not include their parents being dead, if I were you. Unless of course this is stated in the comics, which I haven't had a chance to read yet (except for current strips). Kevingarcia 04:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

That's really interesting, thanks for posting the image. Anyone have an image handy from one of the times we saw Granddad as a young man to compare this with? Young Robert Freeman was seen at least twice, on the bus with Rosa Parks in the MLK episode, and showing up late to a protest because he stopped to pick up his rain gear in one of the first episodes. Rob T Firefly 03:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Young_Robert_Freeman_from_season_1_episode_9.jpg --> They do not look similiar. Nice try though--droptone 17:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I still think it's a matter of interpretation until a deffinative answer is given in the series... looking at both images, I see the same nose, same chin, same eyes, same head-shape. The only real difference is the mouth and expression, and this is a cartoon, so that expressions tend to be exaggerated. - Kevingarcia 08:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it will probably be explain throughout the series...but here is two reasons why it might not be granddad and his wife and be the parents.....1. Granddad wear glasses in all of his flashbacks just like he do in current scenes... see:MLK and first episode and 2. the guy in the mural was darker (not by a lot, but had a more medium brown complexion) than granddad in current and flashback scenes...just an observation..... - User:Christopher 08:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The man in the mural does not look excatly like the Young Granddad we've seen in flashbacks. But he does look he could be related to Granddad. The art teacher told Riley to paint someone that mean a lot to him. In the "Hoe" episode, Huey said he thought Granddad was gay because he's never seen him with a woman. So that means "Grandmom" was not alive in Huey's lifetime so of course she wasn't alive during Riley's. So I would think Riley's mother and father mean a lot more to him than his grandmother whom he never knew.MrBlondNYC 14:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

The image is of the parents. Riley was asked to draw people who are not with them anymore (as in those who have passed on). Riley chose his parents. There would be no reason to have two people in the picture if it was meant to be a picture of the grandmother.

Inner City Blues 02:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the lack of emotion shown by both the boys proves that either it was their grandmother and Granddad rather than their parents. Huey was shocked when he saw it but when Riley came, Huey was back to his nonemotional self. Granddad, on the other hand, was tearing up the whole time. Either that was Granddad and grandma or Huey and Riley never knew their parents long enough to care about them.--Gdo01 04:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Inheritance

When I first saw the episode, I thought inheritance was a reference to the recent death of the boys' parents, but I don't think grandpa would have been so cavalier about that. I think Grandpa was referring to his own savings, meaning he spent the money the boys otherwise would have inherited from him when he died.

[edit] "guy who draws the talking penguins"?

episode: Riley Wuz Here. mention is made of an author of a comic strip about talking penguins.

i know no other strip of such nature than Pokey the Penguin - could this be? i don't know of any other mainstream references to Pokey. hoorj.

Opus? Pacific Coast Highway|^roffles 06:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, he was most likely talking about Berkeley Breathed. --UsaSatsui 08:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

probably! i think Opus and the Boondocks are on the same page on Sunday.--Nod 03:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

My impression was that it was a reference to Bloom County, another socially concious comic strip (I was not aware that new Opus comics were in publication). Also, there should be a mention of the (nameless?) art teacher as a parody (homage?) of Bob Ross. - Kevingarcia 07:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

There is another reference to Bloom County un Uncle Ruckus. Ruckus' eyes are similar in fashion to the character Bill the Cat of Bloom County.

[edit] Reference to Ninja Scroll?

In the episode "Grandad's Fight," is Huey's dream sequence based off of the fight sequence between Jubei and the Blind Samurai? Rapidflash 04:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gangstalicious

Let's not get into the habit of listing everyone who ever appeared on the show. Until Gangstalicious is a recurring character he should not be listed ("Thuggin Love" playing on the radio doesn't count and anyway you don't actually hear him rap). Also, Mos Def did the voice not DJ Pooh. Why not start a new category for guest stars? MrBlondNYC 09:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "animé" and Asian animators

I changed a line in the overview because "animé" isn't technically correct if going by the Japanese pronunciation and that Asian animators doesn't necessarily equal anime. For instance, Comedy Central's Drawn Together used a group of Asian animators to do their animation, but it's hard to call that series "anime". A lot of times, studios will outsource animation to other places (like Korea) to do the inbetween animation. Masi58 00:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

But the show is obviously anime-influenced. McGruder is an anime fanatic and his drawing style is influenced by it. It is more pronounced in the series because by McGruder's own admission he can't draw that well so he had Asian animators do it. The opening credits sequence is an obvious reference to Samurai Champloo. Many anime and American anime-influenced characters pop up in the background of episodes. And just look at the show. I don't know the slang terms but look at how the characters eyes bug out and their faces freeze when they are surprised. It is exactly in the style of Japanese animation. Or how there will be a close-up someone's eyes and their eyes vibrate. Or the horizontal camera angles and split screens that exactly in the anime style.MrBlondNYC 08:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it is, but just because Asian animators work on the show doesn't mean its anime. It's anime-styled because McGruder wants it to be, not because the Asian animators who work on it can't animate anything but anime. There's a difference, and I wanted that difference to be reflected in the article because it seems inaccurate and a bit offensive to me otherwise. Masi58 17:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

As you said, "It's anime-styled". So, what's the difference? KyuuA4 19:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I really don't see any difference between the way the article is worded now then it was before regarding the anime style. The only difference is see is the erroneous accent was taken off the e.MrBlondNYC 07:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it said that the show was in anime style due in part to it having Asian animators. I just thought that that was inaccurate. Masi58 05:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reccuring character

There is a reccuring woman in the background who wears a purple top and has a red afro, she usually agrees with disparaging remarks about black people by clapping, does anybody know who she is or what her purpose is?(shes mostly in espisode 14, but can be seen in 15 as well) --Chueyjoo 21:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White Jesus

Can someone word that better than I did? --Veemonkamiya 02:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huey Freeman

Should it be noted that Huey Freeman is probably a play on Huey Long, a former aggressive populist governor.--Exander 00:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

--Um, it's probably Huey P. Newton.

It is indeed Huey P. Newton. The strip explicitly stated so. --FuriousFreddy 23:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

How would you get Huey Freeman from Huey Long, a racist political figure who became corrupt in office? I say that the Kingfish is the Anti-Huey Freeman. I have read and seen All the King's Men and honestly to put those two Hueys in the same sentence without the use of the words "is not" is not of this world.

--Not sure of its full relivence to this, in the introduction to the first season, they show the blue and white image of Reily similar to that of Scarface and on the other side the red and black posing of Huey in an image similar to that of the famous image of Ernesto Guevara. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.133.20 (talk) 05:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] no mention of govt spy

i have documented every episode and have watched the show in great deatial. no where on this page for information concerning the actual show does there mention the fact that there is a government spy following the family and tracking the movements and actions of huey. i think that there should be given consideration to review this important subject and reveal the importance of it. get with it, if you are going to try to get into detail at least get the important details as well as the stupid obvious ones. pick up on this stuff!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.199.3.130 (talk • contribs) 22 June 2006

• This is mentioned in the summary for that show in List of The Boondocks episodes. Not sure it merits too much mention, even if the spy is voiced by a very funny actor. HumbleGod 22:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I always thought the spy was a figment of Huey's imagination.

[edit] September 11th

"Uncle Ruckus, a self-hating black man originally intended to have been introduced to the strip before 9/11, was introduced into the strip in late 2004 and is being primarily developed in the animated series." I don't get it... how does 9/11 play into it? I think there needs to be some kind of elaboration here to explain what the significance is or the reference should be removed altogether. --Bri 10:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The focus of the Boondocks comic strip shifted signficantly after 9/11. While he still dealt with racial issues, much of the strip became political commentary, mostly liberal. Also after 9/11 (perhaps as a result of the shift in focus), the strip pretty much exclusively focused on Riley and Ceaser, and occasionally Huey and Granddad. A new character wouldn't really have fit. So it wasn't so much 9/11, but the direction the strip took because of it, that got Ruckus delayed. I'm guessing that since the series focuses more heavily on racial issues than the strip does, they decided to bring him in there. --UsaSatsui 04:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I love this show, but the sections "Running Gags" and "References" need to be cleaned up and shortened. I'm not surprised that they've grown out of hand, considering the rich level of allusion in the series, but I suspect much of this can be combined and/or eliminated. Additionally, many of the notes in these sections are poorly written, an inevitability considering the age of the target audience but still something that merits cleanup. HumbleGod 21:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, took care of much of it myself (thank goodness for free time). Some of the episode-specific references I moved to List of The Boondocks episodes; if they were already mentioned there, I just deleted them from this article. Some of the stuff I removed really didn't need to be there--a possible "unintended" resemblence between an unnotable crowd character and an anime character, a possible oblique reference to Harry Potter, other insignificant trivia. The rest I just combined together or left alone. Objections are welcome, but I hope this article doesn't get out of hand again. HumbleGod 22:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References.

The reference section should be renamed trivia. We need proper citations for things like "McGruder has said he's a huge fan of anime". If proper citations cannot be given, then the infomation should be deleted. dposse 22:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] N-word ?

Let's just call it by it's name, we're all adults here.

Granted that Wikipedia is not censored. However, i believe that racial slurs are an exception. dposse 16:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's a racial slur when spoken by, and directed to, black characters. It's part of the context and deserves to stay. HalJor 16:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the word should be used. As the above posters say, it is alright when it's not used as an insult or deroggatory (probably spelled that wrong) comment. In the show, they don't say "The N word", they say the word. After all, in the qoutes below, they use the word, so I don't see any reason for it to be censored above. (You've probably noticed my dodging of using the word in this statement...the explanation for that is...*runs away*) DoomsDay349 18:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. So, you can write the word in the article, but not on a talk page. dposse 04:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah, i was just refering to the censorship in the article. It's more slang than an actual slur.

Exactly. Everyone knows that talk pages are the CIAs secret source for identification and further abduction. They may already be outside your house...in your house...in the closet...who knows? Beware, the CIA moderates the talk pages!!!! Viva le revolution!

Attention. This is the CIA. We have stolen the user known as DoomsDay349. He knows too much.

O_O DoomsDay349...or is it? 00:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the taboo on racial slurs on Wikipedia is more in the sense of the slur as an inherently POV attack, as in: "the Boondocks is a popular nigger cartoon show," than in the sense of quotation or translation. If someone, for example, refers to Jews as Kikes, it would downplay the antisemitism of the statment to write: "X has been ciriticised for his antisemitism including calling Jews (K-word) on numerous occasions." So too the use of "N-word" instead of "niggga'" or "nigger" would downplay the show's abrasive racial commentary. Avraham (talk) 01:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons of mass destruction

I changed the paragraph regarding to Gin Rummy from "...despite that none have been found(referring to weapons of mass destruction)." to " ...despite the fact that the vast majority of the United States public did not know that any had been found.", in reference to this article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html Whoever keeps changing it back, please stop, or find a way to improve my paragraph, while still stating the facts, isntead of anti-American propaganda.

Heres another article. Read the last paragraph. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html --Gdo01 01:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, they're weapons of mass destruction.

He had WMD's since the 80s. Those couldn't be the reason we went to war, the evidence Rumsfeld was talking about is evidence that he had new WMDs not old ones.--Gdo01 01:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

This does not change facts that WMD's were present in Iraq. Besides, Saddam was lying when he said he destroyed them all.

Bush himself has said we have not found what we were looking for. http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060406-112119-5897r.htm --Gdo01 01:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Heres General Tommy Franks http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200408/s1177570.htm--Gdo01 01:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

If I went out looking for the dead body of Jimmy Hoffa, and I found the dead body of some other guy, it wasn't what I was looking for, but it's still a dead body.

So according to your logic, if I find a mustard gas canister in Germany from WW1, I can charge the German government with possesion of WMDs because they didn't get rid of all their weapons from WW1 including the ones that were buried by soldiers without the knowledge of the German government.

"We should invade Germany now because I found a WW1 gas canister, they could have more."

"But we haven't found proof they have any more, we should look for more"

"Damnit, we didn't find any more weapons but that doesn't matter because I have found a WW1 gas canister. Obvious evidence that the Germans were hiding more."

"I agree we need no more proof, this WW1 canister proves they must have always had them and still do."

Now tell me how this is not what you are insinuating.--Gdo01 02:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

How about we remove any reference to the alleged WMDs altogether? "...parodying how Bush and Rumsfeld continually asserted that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in Iraq." (period, end of sentence) You can't argue with that, regardless of whether you believe they were actually found. HalJor 04:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. You can go ahead and do it.--Gdo01 04:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Just to the left of Castro"?

I removed:

(described by McGruder as "just to the left of Castro"{{fact}}),

because the only things I found were Wikipedia mirrors and someone defending himself as "just to the left of Castro" (as opposed to being Conservative).--Rmky87 03:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

That was added at 18:13 EST on March 22, 2006 by Buddy-L. If you want to discuss it, you should contact that user. Just noticed it hasn't been removed. I'm going to do it right now. If there are any objections or cited sources, discuss here.Gdo01 03:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Butt Cheeks song

Does anyone have an official source for the true lyrics of the satirical song played almost always on radio in the Boondocks. For months, there has been a subtle and continous edit war going on between those who think it says "move them butt cheeks" and those who think it is "booty butt cheeks." We need an official source or consistent closed captioning transcripts to finally settle this. I advise that reverting the lyrics be stopped until we find out what the lyrics truly say. Gdo01 19:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It is called "Booty Butt Cheeks"TayTay200193133

[edit] Deletion of One Time Characters

Why is there a a cameo list of characters as "Oone Time Characters"?This should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ace Fighter (talk • contribs) 00:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Navigation box

I moved the navigation box syntax from the Boondocks TV template to the page itself, to resolve fair use issues that have been brought to my attention (see item # 9 of fair use policy). The template will probably be deleted. Apparently this image can only be used on the page itself and not in a template. The admins have been squeezing my nuts about this, so I hope you all don’t mind the extra clutter.

Also, please keep in mind that when editing this page, refrain from altering the syntax of the navigation box unless you know what you're doing, and be prepared to revert any damage you might accidentally cause.
—GrittyLobo441 23:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode articles

I was reading some of the episode articles of the series. It is ALL plotsummary, and not little of it.

1. Providing an extensive scene by scene plot description is most likely a copyright violation of the original work, and those are not allowed on wikipedia. There is even legal precedence for a much more creative approach then a scene by scene description, which was ruled to be a copyright violation. [1]
2. As per Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes, which was also adopted by WP:TV and WP:TVE as project guidelines, an episode article needs:

Quote

Here are some ideas for what information to include about a television episode, where possible:

• The plot summary of the episode
• The episode's relevance in ongoing story arcs, if any
• How the episode was received by critics
• The episode's impact on popular culture
• Information on production and broadcasting of the episode

Elements which are best avoided in any episode article:

• A scene-by-scene synopsis. An overall plot summary is much better; the article should not attempt to be a replacement for watching the show itself, it should be about the show
• Particularly for comedies, no attempt should be made to recreate the humor of the show. This rarely works, and is contrary to the purpose of an encyclopedia.

These articles don't even come close. With the huge plot summaries being possible COPYVIO's, little else then what is in the List of The Boondocks episodes remains, and these articles are probably better left redirecting to that list in that case, as consensus of the centralized discussion agreed upon. I ask regular contributors to try and clean this up. TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

Should there be an userbox for the Boondocks? I would create one but have not really seen the show, so....yeah. Caribbean1 09:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where is Woodcrest?

Where exactly is Woodcrest supposed to be? While someone mentioned that it's similar to Woodridge, in the Chicago suburbs, I've also gotten the impression from the show that it's in the D.C. suburbs... Particularily when they went back to Chicago and had to take a plane to do so.

Can anyone clear this up? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.15.123.159 (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

I'm afraid the specific city to which Woodcrest is a suburb is not mentioned in either the comic or the show. But you're right, it can't be Chicago given that they had to take a commercial flight there in "Wingmen".
—GrittyLobo441 03:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

i think woodcrest is a dc suburb, or at least in maryland. in the gangstalicious episode, the news station stated the gangstalicious lives in delaware, and e-dirt (or eat dirt?) lives in virginia, and maryland is between delaware and virginia. plus, when gangstalicious got shot, he was at a hospital close enough for riley to visit him by bike. of course he could have been shot in another part of the country and sent to another hospital, but maryland wouldnt be a bad guess. 71.175.127.46 07:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Woodcrest is in Maryland, either in Prince George's or Montgomery County (most likely in Montgomery County since 87% of Prince George's population is black). Both counties surround Washington, and MacGruder did mention in the comic that Woodcrest was in Maryland. Woodcrest reminds me of Rockville, Maryland, which is very suburban. However, he makes no mention of any of the sights of Washington in the cartoon, which is strange, considering that Huey is a revolutionary and against many American institutions.

[edit] First animated show centered around African Americans?

I was wondering, is this the first "mainstream" animated show which focuses mainly on African Americans? If it is and somebody can find a reliable source, then I believe it is worth mentioning. Personally I would like to know this answer just out of curiosity.Laugh-O-Gram 16:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's not. It's the only one I can think of as being on the air right now (But then again, apart from The Boondocks the only cartoons I watch on a regular basis are Kim Possible and Avatar: The Last Airbender), but there's definitely been others on the air in the past. JBK405 16:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

There are other shows, like The Proud Family, or The PJ's, that featured primarily African-American characters. Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids, however, deserves the crown. It's a classic, its characters are easily recognized and have pop-culture cachet (see FA&CK article for details), and it aired on a major network (NBC). -- A. 21:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's far from the first. The very first was Hanna-Barbera's Harlem Globetrotters in 1970, followed by Filmation's Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids in 1971 (Fat Albert first appeared in animated form in a 1969 TV special, but the series did not begin until two years later). Others have included The Jackson 5ive (1971-1973), Hammerman (1990-1991), Kid-n-Play (1991-1992), Waynehead, C-Bear and Jamal, Static Shock, and the aforementioned The Proud Family and The PJs. --FuriousFreddy 05:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Riley's graffitti portrait

Sorry to bring this up again, but the graffitti portrait in "Riley Wuz Here": isn't it Granddad his deceased wife? The photo was black and white (sepia? i forget...) and there was a picture of a really old 50's-ish era car. I've edited it back to Granddad and his wife, but if you can prove me wrong, please fix it. FyreNWater 05:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

That's what I got out of the episode, that it was Robert (Granddad) and Doreen in their younger days. It shows that Riley learned to make an impact with his art, not just to desecrate houses. -- A. 21:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caesar

Do any of you know why Ceaser has not been included in the show, or if there are any McGruder quotes or other reliable information discussing this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.163.222.207 (talk) 13:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

A google search revealed the following links containing interviews in which Aaron McGruder mentions his intention of developing more characters from the strip:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/ae/story/5312055p-4812701c.html

http://www.playahata.com/pages/interviews/interview_aaronmcgruder.htm
—GrittyLobo441 07:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters page

This page is getting pretty long (about 48k). User:KyuuA4 has started a separate page List of the Boondocks characters, using a copy and paste from here, and User:GrittyLobo441 has flagged it for speedy deletion. I've added a hangon to the speedy, since splitting that section off from this page seems like a good idea to me.

All that's needed now is to replace the main and one-time characters sections here with a short paragraph headed "Characters", plus a main article link {{Main|List of the Boondocks characters}}. Thoughts? Thanks, Clicketyclack 10:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] REMOVE TRIVIA SECTION!

Geez this trivia section is too big! I'm not one of the people who predomiantly edit this article, so probaly won't do this myself, but for you who do, merge the trivia section into other sections. THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED! 04:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

It has gotten a bit large. I would propose that we create a new article for Boondocks series-related trivia and shift the info over there with a link from this page. It has gotten large enough to fill a page on its own. I would rather leave the actual execution of that to someone who is more experienced in editing the Boondocks pages though. --Fearless Son 06:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Please read the guidelines on lists and sections of trivia. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 15:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference link dead

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/changing_lineup_entertainment_michael_giltz.htm is dead.

-Rest In Peace Reference Link- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josecarlos1991 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season 2

What's going on with Season 2?

Via a Black and White card on Sunday, July 29, They gave a firm date on the season 2 start...October 8. Yes its a Monday :) Somehow I think it maybe a misprint but for not October 898.200.76.119 02:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Riley Wuz Here" and "The Joy of Painting, with Bob Ross"

The article fails to mention the Bob Ross inspired art teacher that works with Riley. He was based on Ross from hair style and calm demeanor to his love of "happy paintings" of nature.

Also, the youthful Robert Freeman looks exactly like McGruder.

[edit] CLEANUP

Since most of the article consisted of non-sourced trivial information already covered in the character and episode individual articles, I removed it. I also did a little reorganization and rewording here and there. If someone wants to restore the information, I suggested looking at the episode and character articles where it belongs.--Nohansen 18:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, if the Boondocks articles editors want to keep using a personalized infobox, it'd be better to convert it to a template. It'd be easier to use for everyone.--Nohansen 18:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This is like the only show where the characters change their clothes more than once and not on special episdes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.226.145 (talk) 19:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

How about making the article read less like a critique? Summation of criticism of the show should be confined to the reception section and not permeate the entire article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.60.167 (talk) 04:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mondays?

Has there been any explanation on why the new (second) season is airing on Mondays when [AS] always runs new content on Sundays (Saturdays for Anime)? It seems fairly odd to me. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 00:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Any explanation isn't really relevant to the article. Scheduling is scheduling after all - which constantly changes anyways. KyuuA4 07:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move request

[edit] Comment

For more examples on this topic, take a look at various anime series - of which many have simultaneous print and animated versions. Here you have a case of a comic and an animation; it would not be so bad to include both into a single article. KyuuA4 (talk) 18:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soundtrack Listing?!?!?!

There should be Soundtrack listing with their respective lyrics. Also, is the song sung by R.Kelly in "The Trial of R.Kelly" actually a song or just a little something made by the music producers for the show?

[edit] Main character

I don't know who said Huey wasn't the main character of the show, but I'd like to inform it's not true, and you're chatting a pile of garbage. Simply because Huey is the narrator, and not a lot of plotlines revolve around him in comparison to Riley or Granddad doesn't mean anything. It simply means he's the voice of reason. If you take it another way, it in fact means he's more of a main character that way than either of them as he sees events from his point of view. If anythingy and Granddad are probably the top three main characters. Don't you watch the opening credits? It seems more sense to look at it from there. Uglyguy2006 (talk) 08:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess you could say they're all main characters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.28.238.230 (talk) 09:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject The Boondocks

Anyone interested in starting a Wikiproject for the Boondocks? †Poison the Well† (talk) 22:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to start one, but I'd be willing to participate and contribute. τßōиЄ2001 (ǂ ) 22:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Dub

I wonder if the Japanese dub of the show should be mentioned somewhere in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.120.179 (talk) 16:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theme Song

Isn't it against copyright laws to post the lyrics of a copyrighted song? Rgoodermote  14:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] African American Studies

Perhaps the article explains it better, but, since most fans of the show do not seem to understand what the Boondocks is about, please keep in mind Mr. McGruder's educational background. Having majored in African American studies, what the Boondocks ultimately is then, is African American studies from a satirist's perspective. In other words, silly ideas like "stinkmeaner vs luna" are not likely to be placed on the show, unless of course the show's creator can somehow have an African American studies spin on the story. What the show is ultimately about is this;

1) White people will never respect you (black people) so 2) get your act together

That is, I think the show's creator is angry. He's angry because its bad enough how arrogant and cruel white people can be, but considering how black people can be lazy, selfish, arrogant if they happen to have a high income, and worst of the worst, an unmanly uncle Tom who does everything he's told by the white supremacist power. Even though it is entertainment, the underlying message is at once satire, and an insult to American society in general regarding race relations. The fact that the main protagonist Huey Freeman is a kid, is a message by McGruder's that can be interpreted as "this society is so messed up, a kid can see it." Albeit, a precociously intelligent kid, but a kid nevertheless. The fact of the matter is if Huey Freeman were real, they would probably have him hooked on Ritallin or something. As a general rule school teachers can not stand it when people of the lower classes or nonwhites display intelligence.

Personal observations aside, please understand that while it is fun to watch, much of the messages in the Boondocks are a satirical spin on African American studies. And precisely because of this, unless you happen to be an African American studies professor, or majored in it yourself, and in addition happen to work with McGruder, it is unlikely that any criticism of the show will be heard by him. So please, just sit back, watch, and enjoy it. I am sorry if I offended anyone, I just think it needed to be said. As far as the article it is very good in covering all the bases but, I don't think anyone has the right to say which section ought to be removed or added. What an encyclopedia's job is, is to give a general explanation to a nonexpert audience. In other words, this discussion forum on the article should be restricted to that purpose, in addition of course to the sharing of thoughts.

White people are free to watch, thing is, I can almost guarantee that unless they are "fringe" white people (e.g. freaks, geeks, stoners and "losers") they are not going to like it. The attacks against "mainstream" whites, that is, America's middle and upper middle class, can be downright vicious. You will do well to notice, that against poor white people the show's creator Aaron McGruder seems to have no problems. Again; the show is primarily a humorous message to the black community of this country. To uncle toms, it tells them to man up. To selfish blacks who are unkind to poorer blacks, it tells them to stop being such fucking assholes, true enough man poor blacks are poor because they are lazy, but its not like they would be given the same job opportunities as whites if they weren't. To lazy black people he tells them to get off their asses. To ignorant and violent N****** he tells them to pick up a book and read. To white people, he is not telling them anything; with the show he is giving them the finger.

I did not major in African American studies, however, I did take a class, and the show "The Boondocks" reeks of it. The core structure of the show in fact revolves around, possibly, everything Mr. McGruder learned in college. Everything Spike Lee does wrong, with his animated show, Aaron McGruder does right. Spike Lee is intelligent, and his movies are replete with dark humor but you have to understand it to get it. Not only that but, while he is a skilled and talented film maker, his "docu-drama" approach to filming issues regarding the black community can be a very boring watch for people who do not really care. That is, Spike Lee is smart, he is very "by-the-book" when it comes to making a good film, but as an entertainer he sucks. Because it is an animated cartoon, The Boondocks somehow manages to capture the deph and intelligence of a Spike Lee movie, but because or both McGruder's better sense of humor (if a bit sharp), and superp Japanese animation, The Boondocks manages to achieve what most Spike Lee movies fail to do. With a Spike Lee movie unless you are a hardcore film buff and have an I.Q. of 160 or higher, AND happen to be black, you can forget about understanding the nuances and deep message of his films. Okay, while not quite as deep as a Spike Lee movie, not quite as complex, "The Boondocks" is more readily accessible to a wider audience. Hence, where Spike Lee fails, Aaron McGruder succeeds. This isn't to say Spike Lee should stop making movies because, where will Aaron McGruder get material if he runs out of ideas? It COULD be a good partnership of sorts; Spike Lee makes a deep and philosophical movie, and McGruder dumbs it down for the rest of us in a Boondocks episode.

I typed too much, terribly sorry for being so long-winded and for any spelling and gramatical errors. Still, I think I got my point across and I hope these thoughts are useful.

206.63.78.78 (talk)stardingo747 —Preceding comment was added at 05:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] confusing passage

Can anyone please clarify what this line is supposed to mean: "The second season premiered on October 8, 2007 and was although, according to McGruder's MySpace page, considered to be cut to only 13 episodes"?

Thanks, Avraham (talk) 01:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The last 2 episodes were banned in the United States, but, aired in Canada. They were considered offensive to BET. ----

[edit] 2 Good ?'s?

1.Jazmine & Huey, wil they make a good boyfriend & gilrfriend? Why or why not,cause I think they can. & 2.Will Michael Caesar make it on the show?,cauze I see him in the coimcs, not on show & I think it be cool if hes on the show.

[edit] MySpace Page

Who (or what) the hell is McGruger's, and why is a myspace page being uses as a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.226.214 (talk) 01:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

McGruder is the "Executive Producer" of the show. There should be a ^{[citation needed]} added to that claim or it should be removed--00:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)H0mi (talk)