Talk:The Black and White Minstrel Show
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Question removed from body of article:
- Query: BBC Two started colour in 1967 but BBC ONE didn't get it until 1969, and I always thought the B&WMS was only on BBC ONE. If so the above date should read 1969. Confirmation would be appreciated.
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- Having just asked on a forum, I have it in good authority that the 10th series of the programme was originally broadcast on BBC Two in colour, and then repeated on BBC One the following year (1968). The show moved to colour on BBC One full time in 1970, after a Christmas special the previous year. So, the 1967 date is correct. BillyH 12:17, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Criticism section
"The show was attacked as racist, a 'cultural obscenity', by some, from the early 1960s."
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- This really needs to be backed up with some contemporaneous sources. Who exactly described it as a "cultural obscenity"? 217.155.20.163 02:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
"However the programme was not generally perceived as racist at the time by people outside the United States, and it was sold to many parts of the world, including Australia and many African countries."
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- Firstly, what does the United States have to do with it? The programme was never sold to the United States, as far as I know, hence audiences inside the United States were never given the opportunity to perceive the programme as anything.
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- Secondly, "sold to many parts of the world..." should be clarified I think. Was the programme ever sold to African countries that weren't part of the British Empire? Also, was the programme shown in Australia throughout its lifetime (1958-78), or only during its early years? 217.155.20.163 02:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
"Under increasing pressure the show tried a 'whiteface' variant in the late 1960s, titled Masquerade and swapping the black faces with masks (based on a Masquerade ball), with a resulting loss in viewing figures."
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- Again, where was this pressure coming from? Also, "resulting loss" suggests that the lack of blackface was directly responsible for Masquerade's low viewing figures - is there any real evidence for this?
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- When the programme was cancelled in 1978 - was it dropped because of low ratings, or budget cuts, or because the whole racial thing had become too much of a hot potato for the BBC to handle? The article just doesn't give us any real cultural context. Were people rioting in the streets because of this programme, were they wringing their hands saying "oh, it's a little bit offensive", or did they not really care? 217.155.20.163 02:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- Or where they saying that this programme has past its best and longer worth watching on Aesthetic grounds? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz-kafka (talk • contribs) 20:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Criticism section (addendum)
As nobody has bothered to answer any of my points above, and no references have been provided, I have deleted this entire section as unreferenced speculation. 217.155.20.163 01:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Is It truly racist.
I do think the show first had intended to be racist, but that idea shot out my head once I learned that Blacks & Whites were enabled into the shows. I do believe that the Minstreal Show allowed blacks in to explode the acting on "slavery". Or simply because the audience rate was down or never was to high.
Well i am A 7th grade student doing a report on this topic & I am happy to continue a disscusion about this topic
ke4me_p2@yahoo.com
email me if interested. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.79.193.217 (talk) 18:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
These comments make no sense
what does "but that idea shot out my head once I learned that Blacks & Whites were enabled into the shows" actually mean Franny-K (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Is It truly racist.
I do think the show first had intended to be racist, but that idea shot out my head once I learned that Blacks & Whites were enabled into the shows. I do believe that the Minstreal Show allowed blacks in to explode the acting on "slavery". Or simply because the audience rate was down or never was to high.
Well i am A 7th grade student doing a report on this topic & I am happy to continue a disscusion about this topic
<blockqoute>ke4me_p2@yahoo.com
email me if interested. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.79.193.217 (talk) 18:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
[edit] holy shit
Till 1978??! There *really* needs to be a section of this article detailing how on earth that was even possible. I mean, that was less than a decade before I was born. Truly sickening. --86.142.170.168 (talk) 04:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
The article merely lists the historical data of the show. It would be inappropriate to write an opinionated piece as this would be non-encylopedic and outwith the spirit of Wikipedia. Paul210 (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Read what I said. I'm saying there should be an explanation of why it continued so long. We can't write our own opinions, but surely loads of people at the time expressed *their* opinions about it which we *can* write about? I don't think any complete article about this "show" can ignore the arguments that no doubt took place around it. --86.142.170.168 (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Well,why not do some research and write it up yourself? Paul210 (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
