Talk:The Ben Stiller Show

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The second sentence of this arcticle makes no sense: "It was a spin-off from the successful MTV series of the same name"

How can a show be spun off from the same thing?

well it says of the same name, meaning its not the same thing

[edit] Sub-reference

Can whoever wrote this explain what is meant by "sub-reference". I am just curious because it is not in the dictionary and I have never heard it before.