Talk:The Beatrice Letters
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[edit] The Item on the Poster
To clarify, the object in the cave ont he poster that comes with The Beatrice Letters is not a spatula, but Sunny's whisk (Which she receives from Friday in The End. Although, as "everything washes up here eventually", the spatulas could be there as well.
Due to this, I don't know if I should change the last(ish) paragraph which states the above.
--Φ 15:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Cover
The cover posted in this article is outdated; LemonySnicket.com and other online sites have, for a while now, been using this cover instead:
Could somebody replace the uploaded image with this one, please?
- Actually, that's not an updated cover, they just slapped a sticker on it. You can peel it off and then you see the actual full cover that is pictured.Pacaman 10:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- Incorrect, the letters "The Beatrice" are now in red.
[edit] INFO
I've just read it. The poster shows a hair ribbon, broken glasses, and a spatula, in the seas, and the shipwrecked ship is there too! Also Beatrice is 10 during the series, and she is the Baudelaires SIBLING!!!Sunny somehow gets on the radio, eventually Beatrice gets to the Baudelaires, and probably the reason why snicket writes about the Baudelaires is because Beatrice Sank, meaning that she died, and he is writing about her three siblings! Someone put this into article form!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Starwarskid (talk • contribs) .
There's no way of knowing that. First off, she couldn't of died at the shipwreck. She mentions in a letter that Klaus said she saved his life shortly after the destruction of the Hotel. That would mean it will take place in the last volume. And since she's obviously alive to write a letter talking about that, she couldn't of drowned. Lemony wouldn't write it because of this Beatrice. He investigates the areas first then writes the books. He wouldn't be able to know if this Beatrice was killed and write as far back as the first book. He was unaware of the fact that there were two Beatrice Bauldelaires. The last letter he wrote to his editor, stated that he just recently found out there were two. The mother was probably Beatrice also. In the book, there's a telegram that goes to BB. Then it says, Dear Mrs. Bauldelaire. The mother was probably Beatrice and she named a fourth child after her. That child probably got seperated or kidnapped and put in V.F.D. Then she wants to find her sibling. You have to also remeber Lemony was in love with Beatirce and they grew up together. So the Beatrice that is dead is the reason why he wrote the books. Probably because she died in the Bauldelaire fire and then wrote accounts on her children unaware that there was still a fourth one out there. But only if she is the mother which would make alot of sense and fill in the gaps.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs) .
- I don't know where you guys got the idea of a fourth Baudelaire sibiling. That's Crazy! One beatrice is the Mother, the other is in the End.
--ArtifexCrastinus 02:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Yeah uhm, I'm pretty sure the baudelaires would've known if there was another sibling. Even the quagmires did, though Quigley, they thought, was just lost in the fire. 68.227.186.156 01:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Just making a statement here. Does anyone notice that in the #5 (or so its labeled at the top right corner) has a message in Sebald code stating: "are you certain your co-star is one of us?" It probably has something to do with this whole thing.
[edit] Another Anagram
It should be mentioned that the letters can also be formed to make "Bear A Snicket," hence, either Kit Snicket did bear a younger Snicket (i.e. her daughter, the younger Beatrice), or the Baudelair orphans bared, or raised, this said child. --71.109.37.168 08:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
It seemed to me that all the letters written by Beatrice in the book were written by little Beatrice (Kit's child), because she mentions Violet, Klaus, and Sunny in all of the letters, either as her siblings, or family members, not her children, Besides, the Baudelaires parents did not survive the fire, or so it says in The End.
Yeah, even thought some of the Lemony Snicket's letters were dedicated to the Baudelaires' mother, i think too, that all the letters written by B.B. belong to Kit Snicket's daughter. I'm sure the Baudelaires' mother wrote letters to Snicket, but any of these letters was in "The Beatrice Letters"
Younger Beatrice is 10, so Sunny is about 12, Klaus 23 and Violet 25. They seem to have made it safely off the island if Sunny was on the radio talking about her cooking; Beatrice is probably in boarding school. The question is whether Klaus ever found Fiona and Violet, Quigley - maybe they went searching in the Great Unknown.
[edit] Chronology
It's clear (to me at least) that the letters are not arranged in the same order as they were "written". Furthermore, I think that both Beatrices have written these letters. It seems to me that the last letter was a reply of sorts to Lemony's first letter, as it appears they are both in the same restaurant. I'd give more evidence for my views, if I actually owned the collection in question. --ArtifexCrastinus 02:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree; each series of letters (the ones to Beatrice, and the ones from Beatrice) follow a clear narrative. The last calling card is also inconsistent with Lemony's first, as they would be meeting in entirely different places, and it also bears the location "Rhetorical Building," which is of course where the younger Beatrice has set up shop at the end of the book.
My first impression after reading Letters (before The End was released) was that the rumor that a Baudelaire parent had survived the fire has correct, and that she, Beatrice Baudelaire, would eventually reunite with her children through the detective work of Mr. Snicket, her former love interest. They would rescue the "orphans" from Olaf's clutches; Snicket would finally marry the love of his life, and have the family would have a nice life after that. Of course, I knew it couldn't be exactly like that, because after all, Lemony promised us all a sad, horrid ending; but I was under the impression that it would in fact be a humorously exaggerated pessimistic view of the whole story (e.g. mention of how horrible the circumstances {be them bad neighbors, jobs, schooling, food, etc.} were for them), so it would be interpreted as a "sorta" unhappy ending.
I never had any clue about a second Beatrice until the very end in the "Letter to the Editor".Even then, of course, it made no sense to me. I suppose if I had reread it enough I would, but I didn't. It wasn't until "The End" that I understood at least some of the stuff surrounding Beatrice II.
Anyway.... that's what I thought. How does that compare with what you guys think/thought? --ArtifexCrastinus 06:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Division by Letters
I motion for dividing this page by there relevance to each letter. That would make it much more organized. Note however, that I do not intend to myself, at least, not until the holiday break. You may wish to remind me of this after next week (Starting Dec. 23). --ArtifexCrastinus 05:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Agree completely; it's cluttered and self-repeating at the moment and desperately needs reorganisation.
- 'Why, then, is it not listed on the "need cleanup" list?' I wonder. And please remember to put your signiture; it annoys me when I don't know who I'm talking to. --ArtifexCrastinus 04:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] R
who is R?
[edit] They All Died?
In The Beatrice Letters, I found that the perforated letters in the book could be arranged to spell "Beatrice Sank". Could it be that the Baudelaires and Kit Snicket's daughter died on the ship, after they set sail from the island?
- That wouldn't make sense; half the book is written from the point of view of Kit Snicket's daughter (Beatrice Baudelaire). Some people think the boat sinking is what split up Beatrice and the Baudelaires, though, although I'm not sure if that figures for Beatrice hearing Sunny on the radio.
This article, for me, is extremely confusing. It repeats the same things over and over, and nothing is organized.
- As covered above, eventually - read: as soon as someone can be bothered to go to the effort - we want to rewrite it and divide it up by letter. I might do it sometime. As it is, half the information in here is probably wrong or obsolete.
I do agree, this article made sense about 2 months ago. I returned to it now and it repeats itself so many times that it just gets confusing. And does there have to be 'every' anagram possible from the letters. Some are really far fetched and just saying the same thing. I do agree that this page is in dire need of an update.
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