Talk:The Basement Tapes

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[edit] References

It seems to me that the two recent additions to ==External links== are actually citations of sources used in the writing of the article and should be in a ==References== section. External links should be to sites that expand the material available in the article. It is possible for a link to appear in both sections. —Theo (Talk) 18:37, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Neither one of them is a source for the additional material -- much of the information added can be found in the Marcus book; some of it is sourced from UseNet discussions and various Dylan- or music-related message boards. Some of the latter sources are, like many net-located sources, transient; as was, no doubt, the immediate source for the pre-existing comment about bootlegs being sold on Ebay. Now the two cited pages will probably be among the references for the related "Basement Tape" article, which I'm working on yet. . . Monicasdude 20:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Motorcycle Crash

This Basement Tapes articel says that Dylan was taken to the hospital after his motorcycle crash. The Bob Dylan article specifically says that he was NOT taken to the hospital. Can anyone cite any supporting facts either way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I've removed what I believe is incorrect information. There is no known record of a hospital visit after the crash. Mick gold (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Both Basement Tapes articles need serious editing, why not merge them into one good, concise article?

This Basement Tapes album needs serious editing in that there there are no footnotes showing what information comes from where, so it comes across as one big lump of unreferenced information. There is a fair amount of overlap between the content of this article and The Basement Tapes (Sessions) article. The Basement Tapes (Sessions) article needs a lot of clean-up as well in that it has many unreferenced and subjective (unencyclopedic) statements. I don't think every track needs to be listed in The Basement Tapes (Sessions) article. So I propose that we could merge the two articles and have information about some (not all) of the unreleased songs in the Basement Tapes album page (as indeed there already is) and scrap the Basement Tapes (Sessions) article. And while we're at it we could clean up the Basement Tapes album page to make a really great article about both the album and the sessions. Moisejp (talk) 16:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I think Moisejp is right. The Basement Tapes (Sessions) and The Basement Tapes should be merged. It makes no sense to have 2 separate articles. I agree that The Basement Tapes could be expanded and The Basement Tapes (Sessions) should be scrapped. The new article could be structured around the following themes:

1. The background - the motorbike crash and re-grouping in Woodstock

2. The recording sessions: what is known about the 107 (?) songs recorded

3. The artists who recorded the songs: The Byrds, The Band, Julie Driscoll, Manfred Mann etc. Plus the 'official' album release from CBS in 1975.

4. The aftermath: the bootlegs, The Genuine Basement Tapes, Greil Marcus's Invisible Republic.

Mick gold (talk) 15:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No keep them seperate. Both can be cleaned up but I think they ought to be seperate articles. 130.108.192.246 (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

That's great if The Basement Tapes (Sessions) actually gets cleaned up, but who is going to do it? There have been notices on that page for months and no one has stepped forward to fix it. There are still no citations showing where any of the information comes from, and there are still lots of subjective statements (e.g. "Don't You Try Me Now": "a rather undeveloped original. With some more work it would stand as a fine Basement Tapes original.") On the other hand, if we did merge the two pages, I would take it onto myself to ensure that all "Sessions"-related information on The Basement Tapes page was cited and objective, and we could have a good, concise treatment of the Sessions that follows Wikipedia's standards. Moisejp (talk) 09:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Moisejp. All the info in The Basement Tapes (Sessions) could be incorporated into The Basement Tapes article. It serves no purpose to have two separate articles. Anonymous editor 130.108.192.246 does not offer a single reason to support his/her opinion. Mick gold (talk) 05:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)