Talk:The Ballad of Halo Jones

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Contents 1 This Article - follow up 2 NPOVing 3 References 4 Trivia 5 Influences on the series

[edit] This Article - follow up

To follow up on the comments below from khaosworks the hyperbolic praise has been cleaned up, the vast bulk of this article is content from an unfinished Halo Jones website project of mine bfenby so it at first didn't comply with the NPOV guidelines as it was written.

One person has made an abandoned stab at a section on The Stage Plays which would be a useful addition.

Some of the language is now more encyclopedic but it still needs clean up. A lot of the critical acclaim is quoted verbatim, which is not necessary. I'll take a stab trimming it down when I have the time. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

There is a new interview with Ian Gibson you may want to use to update the entry. Noteably, Ian states his belief that copyright of the character and future stories lies with Alan: ("I believe that he holds the copyright to the character. All Rebellion have is copyright on what has been produced previously - i.e. Books 1, 2 and 3. Simple as that."). Find the interview here [1] --89.243.91.101 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Also worth including this quote from the radio interview Alan Moore did with Alex Fitch (Resonance FM 27th January 2007). Is there any chance you'd do another Halo Jones book? "The hell I will! No, the basic thing is that these people stole my work from me and the work of the artists. They were given plenty of opportunities to come up with some mutually agreeable way in which the work could be given back, perhaps to our mutual advantage, and they refused at every step along the way. The British comics industry ought to be ashamed of itself...IPC, they own all the work. So this is why I won't work with them and this is why nobody else can publish the work. As lovely a strip as Halo Jones was, while it continues to be owned by 2000AD then there's no chance of it ever being reprinted or reissued from another publisher, and I'm afraid that that's just the way it is...would that it were otherwise." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.35.26 (talk) 17:15, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOVing

As much as I love Halo Jones and agree to a large number of the sentiments expresed in this article, the way it is written is too hagiographic and not NPOV. The hyperbolic praise needs to be eliminated or cleaned up severely to conform to Wikipedia guidelines. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 11:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

I've added a references section to the entry and quite a few of the sources can be moved to that. I added on requested reference and removed another review as it was just lifted from Amazon. (Emperor 03:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Trivia

Trivia sections are frowned on and that is a biggie. I'm thinking we can split a lot of to "In popular culture" (references to the series in popular culture), "Other appearances" (popping up in other 2000 AD stories and adaptations into a computer game or play - these last two could go in an "Adaptations" section of its own or possibly into the "In popular culture section") and "Cultural references" (for Fomalhaut, Wittgenstein, etc. - although this is the most suspect and WP:OR of the lot as it might be obvious to some but does need to be proved). So if that seems OK to all it should be no problem slicing up the trivia section into bits that work better. (Emperor 13:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC))

OK that has largely been done. Some of the remaining stuff is either too trivial or can be moved elsewhere (it being voted "third best book of 2001" might fit somewhere). Howeveer, there needs to be a lot more references. (Emperor 16:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

For years I've been wondering about the Clara Pandy, I thought it was an allusion to the Para Handy stories by Neil Munro. It's the story of a 'puffer', a kind of tramp steamer, plying it's trade around the Western Isles. The books were written in the 1920's and 30's Is that completely wrong? If you think it's worth including I'll write a bit about it in the popular culture section. If not I'll shut my trap. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BFKate (talk • contribs).

I'm afraid unless you can source it properly it can't be included as it'd count as original research. Interesting though. (Emperor 13:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC))

I just want to clarify something, Would sourcing it properly mean finding an occassion when someone else, i.e. Someone related to the production of Halo Jones, explicitly states the link with the Para Handy stories? My trap is nearly shut.BFKate 14:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Forgive my newness, I just clicked the link to original research and answered my own question. Point taken and understood. My trap = shut. BFKate 14:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influences on the series

I won't delete this myself because of conflict of interest, but I don't think that Joel Segal Books blog posting [2] can be taken as a reliable source: I wrote it, and am hardly an authority on the topic! Ray Girvan 86.150.51.200 21:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)