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[edit] Rename?

Shouldn't this be titled Category:The Beatles' songs? Having the title not be a possessive sounds horrible. I'll do the change myself if there's no objections. Blackcap | talk 02:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I've found a precedent: Category:The Rolling Stones songs. After thinking about this for a while, I realized that this title isn't an article (the), a noun (Beatles), and an object (songs), but a compound noun (The Beatles songs) comprised of a noun adjunct (The Beatles) and a noun (songs). I had trouble with this at first because of the article "the" in the name (it's easier to think about it as "Beatles songs"), but I think it's grammatically correct as it is. So, forget the move. Blackcap | talk 17:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

After thinking more about this, I've found that this is in violation of Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Avoid the definite article ("the") and the indefinite article ("a"/"an") at the beginning of the page name, which says:

If the definite or indefinite article article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the page name.

Per this, this, and my own personal feelings about how poor this title sounds, I'm going to list this on WP:CfD with the suggestion that this be renamed Category:Beatles songs. I'll do the same with the Rolling Stones category. Note that at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name)#Names of bands and groups there is a brief section covering band names with the word "the" capitalized in front of them (including the Beatles, acually), but since common usage says to leave the "the" uncapitalized, I think it's worthy of bringing up. --Blackcap | talk 17:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

This was listed on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion, with a result of no consensus. An archive of the debate can be found here: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 8#Category:The Beatles songs to Category:Beatles songs. --Blackcap | talk 18:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)