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[edit] Durban Strategy and La Fin du Monde

Well I must say when I read Belgian I expected a very light beer. When I looked up this beer I've never heard of, I was surprised to see it is 9% Alc v/v. I've never seen it. I tend to drink Rickard's Red and occasionally a McEwen's (but I hate Guiness and am not fond of anything light). I'll be sure to try La Fin du Monde if I see it at the Liquor Board. I do like to try new things and I enjoy a good red ale for its taste—I don't drink at all anymore for the alcoholic effects.

Anyways, in the Durban Strategy article there is a {{Durban Strategy}} tag, which is the syntax for a template. With template tags, if no namespace is specified the Template: namespace is assumed. Because there exists no "article" called Durban Strategy in the template namespace, i.e. there is no Template:Durban Strategy, the red link appears. If there was a template at that location, it would be transcluded. What that means is whatever code exists at the page within double-curly-braces is inserted in place of the tag like a macro. The welcome message I left you, excluding the final paragraph, is Template:Welcome2 (the reason the tag doesn't appear in your talk page is because I subst'd it, what I really used was {{subst:welcome2}} ~~~~). I'm not really sure if I'm being too specific/technical or if I'm unintentionally patronising you, so I'll leave it at that. Just remove the {{Durban Strategy}} line and the article will be fine.

As for my welcome message, I patrol Special:New pages and editors with red links to their talk pages often catch my eye. I try to put a welcome message on these user's talk pages: welcome2 normally, or Template:welcomelaws if they seem to need more of a caution than an encouragement to be WP:BOLD, or Template:welcomeip if it is an IP address. I don't normally take the time to add a paragraph of my own comments, though I occasionally do. I must have scrutinised your article on Memory Spots too, though I don't remember it.

Let me know if you have any other questions, I'll gladly answer what I can and guess at what I can't. BigNate37T·C 20:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I tried some La Fin du Monde today. Picked up a 750mL bottle for about $3CAD. It is a very strong tasting beer, and rather sweet. The strong yeast taste is a little too much for my taste. I must admit it is "too beer for me", and I pride myself on an affinity for dark ales. BigNate37T·C 00:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey (Dan Wilkinson article)

Nice work on the DW article. You hit the nail right on the head when you worked the content into the article. It's all about presentation! Please feel free to hit me up if you ever have a question that you think i can help with. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  18:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, sir! I actually already have hit you up for info, in a way, as I have been studying your User Page (or was it the Sandbox) for ideas. Pretty nifty. And, since I'm all over the place with Wikipedia policy, style rules, etc., maybe I should just ask you here: Is it standard procedure to answer on my own talk page or on yours? tharsaile 18:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
So i put this here just to keep it in one place. A lot of editors like to go back and forth on each others talk page so it's certainly "acceptable" in some respect. However, it makes it difficult to follow to an outside observer. As far as whose page to put it on - not usually a big deal. I like to keep these type of discussion on "the other" because it will be easier for you to follow. I usually just make some sort of note about the "your page or mine" and just make sure both editors agree early on. I'm so glad you found that stuff helpful. And I'll keep this page on my want list so you can just hit me up with as many questions as you'd like. I don't know everything - but i usually know someone who does :-). Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  18:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
You may want to take a look at WP:TPG. It will help you figure out how to "present" statements on article tps and on user tps. Also, a great "tactic" is if there is a discussion here - you can always drop a note at the other user's page and say "see my talk page" or something friendly like that. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  18:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Good work on the wilkinson article - i'm making a few "format" adjustments" and minor text changes. Let me know if you have any questions as to why. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  18:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay so during my editing - the one editor i'm having major problems with has showed up again so i cannot edit that article for now. In the meantime, take a look at this edit. It's by no means a comprehensive rework - but you'll see that i started to tag things that need sources and removed the passive voice (per the WP:MOS). I also cited and added some information in the legal section and removed the personal section altogether - there was no citation for anything and so i killed it off. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  19:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
The source was actually in the external links, but I also linked it as a reference in the personal section itself. Is this a problem?►Chris Nelson 19:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Chris - please stop engaging me in discussion. I have nothing left to say to you. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  19:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


Whoa, there appears to be an argument on my talk page. In your corners, guys. :-) Seriously, Jmfangio, correct me right away if I'm wrong, but I am beginning to get the feeling that you don't want anything negative on the Dan Wilkinson page. So are all these edits really about formatting? If I don't write again until later, it's because my weekend has just begun...tharsaile 20:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. This is nothing more than a serious problem rearing it's head on yet another unrelated person's talk page. I'm just not even going to touch that topic any time soon but i'm glad to help you out in whatever other way possible. There are tons of good guideline pages and policy pages that I recommend you take some time to look at. Part of the process (or fun) is getting familiar with these WP:PGs. The reason I removed the content is because no source was provided. Negative information is taken very "seriously" here - so i would suggest taking a peak at WP:BLP. Just source the stuff as much as possible and you won't have any problem. Put it like this - if a person goes out and kills 100 individuals - it might be very difficult to find anything "redeaming" about this person. However, it doesn't mean that we should all put - He sucks in the article. Just present the information in a well written, well supported fashion and if you ever need help - just ask - that's what the idea is behind this. Be well. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  20:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


Sorry I wasn't starting anything on your talk page. I actually wasn't even talking to him in my original post. I just wanted you to know what actually happened. He removed the personal section because he said it was unsourced, so I added it back and sourced it. That's all.►Chris Nelson 20:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


No problem, Chris. This is a good learning experience for me, and you can write on my Talk page anytime. I think it's best that there are more than two editors, ahem, collaborating on the DW page, and it will be interesting to see how things turn out. Thank you for restoring the reference, and have a good weekend.

JMF, absolutely, I agree.tharsaile

I just reread your msg above, particularly
"The reason I removed the content is because no source was provided." I should add, for fear that you may mislead the public, that the content to which you referred could not have been mine. In my case, I did the opposite: I provided a link to an impeccable source with no content. When you removed that -- and I understand you had your reasons -- I did some research, realized that I had done nothing wrong, and put in a few lines of content, just a paraphrase of text from said impeccable source. I put the source link in and it looks like Chris helped with the formatting and arrangement. I'm not certain what happened after that, but it looks like much ado about nothing. I only know that I have contributed zero unsourced content.
Furthermore, I must state that no one wrote the equivalent of "he sucks" per your example above, so I don't want anyone misled about that either. I may have given the wrong impression: I've been here for years and would never violate a basic rule like that.
A couple sentences with a New York Times source, that's the matter at hand here. The question is, will it be allowed to remain? tharsaile 21:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that this is drifting toward a major confusion between you and I - i want to make sure this is clear - the situation between chrisjnelson and i is not a good one. I did not want in any way shape or form intimate that what you had done was bad /wrong / or not worthy of inclusion. Speaking specifically to your question - that type of content is absolutely acceptable if it adheres to WP:BLP. The NYT sourced information is still in there (last i checked). I took that opportunity to apply some WP:MOS concepts (like passive v. active voice) and reworked the section a bit. Let me know if you have any questions as to why i did certain things in the edit. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  21:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your candor, JMF. I know that the NYT info is still in there, but you alluded to the possibility that you were going to wait until things quieted down. So, do you believe the content in question adheres to BLP? One unrelated grammar point. I know this is going to sound smarmy, but it's just a pet peeve of mine: I's between you and me, not between you and I. In a few decades, I suspect, the word "me" will show up less and less often in the English language, but I'll defend it while I'm alive. ;-) Anyway, thank you for the reply, and I look forward to reading your articles in the future. Yours, tharsaile 21:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahh - i gotcha. What i meant was - i'm not going to make any more content edits to that article because of the situation between Chrisjnelson and myself until there is some resolution to the RFC and ArbCom. That's all i meant - there is no intention to stricken content - certainly not good content from any article - at any time. That whole me / i think is a true bother. You are correct and many people use it incorrectly - my excuse here is that i'm letting the informal nature of the talk page allow for a casual writing style. I do however, keep that out of articles. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  21:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure why anyone would cease editing the Wilkinson article for the time being. Nothing has occurred recently to warrant any change in behavior, unless one simply does not feel like it.►Chris Nelson 22:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Texter

If you use it, you can add {{User:Jmfangio/Userbox:Texter}} to your user page! :-) Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  17:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thx, jmf. You know, I downloaded it, used it, loved it, restarted my computer, and found all the replacement text strings turned to numerical ones. :-) (shrugs) tharsaile 15:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Durban Strategy

An article that you have been involved in editing, Durban Strategy, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Durban Strategy (2nd nomination). Thank you. —Ashley Y 03:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Here we go again. Maybe they should just delete it. Left comments at the article's own talk page, since the debate seems to be archived already(?) tharsaile (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] About being Jewish in Idaho

Hey thanks for editing my talk page. Its really hard to be honest, my dad had to drive me 50 miles to a place that was a shared space that contained a synagogue (more or less, we shared it with a Greek Eastern Orthodox church I believe) in Pocetello (I grew up in Idaho Falls). A lot of people are curious in real life so I say I generally tell them I don't want talk about it. I knew one other kid in Idaho Falls my age who was Jewish but we never really were friends. Since the synagogue was so far away we went only during High Holidays. It was really really odd. Dating is really wierd too, as I have been turned down over and over again for "Not being Mormon or Christian), one girl actually hated herself for dating me. Interesting thing about Mormons, they get really really excited when you say you are Jewish and want to convert you. I had one "friend" who after learning I was Jewish invited me to go bowling. I accepted, however she took me to the Church and told me she had things to do first (three hours later still no bowling so I excused myself and walked home). Its odd and hard to retain your beliefs. Its even odder when you run into someone with the same beliefs who is more into it as well. I'm a reform Jew and when I ran into a Hasidic group who invited me to Yom Kippur, I neglected to tell them I had a test that day and needed to attend. I spent the whole day praying in Hebrew (which I am horrible in), felt socially awqward, and missed my test, which I had to appeal to the dean of my department to make up. Regardless it's interesting, and I am more interested in the ideas of Judiasm rather than the beliefs or rituals. I guess it's how you look at it.Zethus (talk) 06:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)