Talk:Thamud
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[edit] Plagiarism
I’m currently trying to make something useful of this article, but it’s an uphill battle. Thought it might be worthwhile to start a list here which I’ll add to as I find sources for some of the text.
☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 08:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Hegra
Although a few sources do seem to say that Pliny identified Hegra with the Thamud, it really doesn’t seem that clear...
Nabataeis Thimaneos iunxerant veteres, nunc sunt Taveni, Suelleni, Arraceni, Areni, oppidum in quo omnis negotiatio eius convenit; Hemnatae, Aualitae, oppida Domata, Hegra; Tamudaei, oppidum Badanatha; Carrei, oppidum Cariati; Achoali, oppidum Foth, ac Minaei a rege Cretae Minoe, ut existumant, originem trahentes, quorum Carmaei.
—C. Plini Secundi Naturalis historiae libri XXXVII (Julius Sillig 1851), Google Book Search
Nabataeis Thimaneos iunxerunt veteres, nunc sunt Taveni, Suelleni, Araceni, Arreni oppido in quod negotiatio omnis convenit, Hemnatae, Avalitae, oppida Domata, Haegra, Thamudaei, oppidum Baclanaza, Chariattaei, Toali, oppidum Phodaca, Minaei, a rege Cretae Minoe, ut existimant, originem trahentes, quorum Carmei;
—Pliny the Elder: the Natural History, LacusCurtius at University of Chicago
Up to the Nabatæi the ancients joined the Thimanei; at present they have next to them the Taveni, and then the Suelleni, the Arraeeni, and the Areni, whose town is the centre of all the commerce of these parts. Next come the Hemnatæ, the Aualitæ, the towns of Domata and Hegra, the Tamudæi, with the town of Badanatha, the Carrei, with the town of Cariati, the Achoali, with the town of Foth, and the Minæi, who derive their origin, it is supposed, from Minos, king of Crete, and of whom the Carmæi are a tribe.
—Pliny the Elder, The Natural History (eds. John Bostock, M.D., F.R.S., H.T. Riley, Esq., B.A.), Perseus Digital Library at Tufts University
Consequently I’ve removed the following...
The Greek geographer Pliny's descriptions agree with this. Pliny wrote that Domatha and [[Meda'in Saleh|Hegra]] were the locations where Thamud resided, and this latter makes up the city of Hijr today.<ref>"Hicr", Islam Ansiklopedisi: Islam Alemi, Tarihi, Cografya, Etnografya ve Bibliyografya Lugati, (Encyclopedia of Islam: Islamic World, History, Geography, Ethnography, and Bibliography Dictionary) Vol. 5/1, p. 475</ref>
☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 09:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Unreferenced claims (to be) removed
Thamud mentioned in...
- Assyrian annals (Tamudi) - vague, does this mean the 715 BC inscription?
- a Greek temple inscription from the northwest Hijaz of 169 AD
- a 5th-century Byzantine source
- Old North Arabian graffiti around Tayma
- as well as (arguably) an Eblaite tablet - this sounds controversial and must have a source
☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 11:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] More material without sources
I’ve reverted edits by 217.132.40.50 replacing the unreferenced material mentioned above. It would be great if you could find sources for these and include more information, because they sound interesting, but until you can they don’t meet Wikipedia standards for inclusion.
☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 03:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] ibn al-Athir and Ibn Khaldun
ibn al-Athir mention storys about the Thamud people in his book The Complete History and Ibn Khaldun in his book " Ibn Khaldun history " ... here in the article ar:ثمود —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.199.4 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 24 May 2008
