Template talk:Tfd

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Template:Tfd is permanently protected from editing, as it is a heavily used or visible template.

Substantial changes should be proposed here, and made by administrators if the proposal is uncontroversial, or has been discussed and is supported by consensus. Use {{editprotected}} to attract the attention of an administrator in such cases.
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[edit] Discussion

Archived by Omniplex 20:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC):

  1. Use in template vs. in template talk
  2. Category
  3. Slight modification
  4. Insertion of tag
  5. Self-referential {{tfd}}
  6. TFD'd
  7. Smaller is better
  8. either/or?
  9. A choice of sizes
  10. Let's Talk
  11. it's entry link
  12. Edit summary
  13. Consensus?
  14. Another change
  15. moved from main page
  16. See also

[edit] Minor change

Please change the template to

<div class="boilerplate metadata plainlinks" id="tfd" style="background-color: transparent; padding: 0; font-size:xx-small; color:#000000; text-align: center; border-bottom:1px solid #AAAAAA; ">‹ The [[Wikipedia:Template messages|template]] below has been proposed for [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion|deletion]]. See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus on what to do. ›</div> <noinclude>[[Category:Template templates]]</noinclude>

i.e. add ucfirst so it always link to correct template entry on the tfd. →AzaToth 19:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

There was a requested move from Template:Tfd/Temp to here - please see Template_talk:Tfd/Temp and comment WhiteNight T | @ | C 20:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Question:

So, suppose someone wanted to nominate this for a TfD, what template would they have to use for that? (=--205.188.116.7 06:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

They could use this one, as it would not have been deleted yet. :) --Abu Badali 03:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request to have sort key added

Please add the sort key to the template. So:

[[Category:Template templates]]

should be changed to

[[Category:Template templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]

– Doug Bell talk•contrib 07:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. howcheng {chat} 17:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{PAGENAME}} default parameter

Please stop defaulting the parameter to {{PAGENAME}}. This results in markup that is correctly only when looking at the actual template page - it's translated to the name of the page the template is displayed on, not that of the template itself. Since the whole purpose of the tfd template is to link from pages where the template is transcluded to tfd, this is never useful. In fact, it's actively harmful, in that it prevents taggers from noticing that the tfd link is incorrect. —Cryptic (talk) 10:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

For an experiment with this see {{subst:tfd1}}, this should work only for simple PAGENAMEE cases. -- Omniplex 19:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
This should really be fixed! --Swift 12:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
agreed - see my post below. If people used the correct transclusion method, i.e. {{tfd|template name}}, then it would be fine, but it is not made clear that one must do that, so either the template needs fixing, or its correct usage enforced/explained. — Superbfc 13:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add Usage section

Please unprotect this page, I want to make it easier to understand. Browsing around I notice a lot of people actually forget to include the second parameter which links to the vote. --Col. Hauler 09:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

See above for the usage, [[Category:Requests for unprotection]] had no effect, there's no such category. -- Omniplex 19:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TFD text showing up on every page that uses target template

Is it the goal to have TFD warnings showing up on every page that the template is used on? I was really confused by the text on Image:617patroclus.jpg until I found that it was from Template:Image information. -Harmil 19:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Typo?

Just noticed that the word "discrete" in the template should actually be "discreet". The two oft-confused words have very different meanings (see Wiktionary), almost to the point of being antonyms. --Stratadrake 17:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

wiktionary:discreet vs wiktionary:discrete — MrDolomite | Talk 20:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Done. Dragons flight 20:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

To change ' See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus on what to do. ' to ' See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{{{subst: subst:}}: PAGENAME}}]] to help reach a consensus on what to do. ' Passer-by 18:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other proposal

This template is too discreet for a deletion proposal template. It could use a small red icon to be more easly noticed. It works! --Abu Badali 03:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Something conspicious, specialised, with TFD text on it, and perhaps which redirects directly from the Image to the TFD page itself. . Or at least keep the formatting within the template to be deleted. -Ste|vertigo 16:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Bug

I've noticed that some people are using {{tfd}} without any |template name component which is bringing up the wrong link the template or page in which it is transcluded. I have fixed the {{tfd}} for {{roaddis}} but I think the template page of {{tfd}} needs that crucial point explained on the main template itself, i.e. in the <nowiki> section. — Superbfc 13:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved documentation

Hi, I've moved the documentation from this Talk page to the Template:Tfd/doc subpage, as recommended in Wikipedia:Template doc page pattern. Please edit the template to:

<div class="boilerplate metadata plainlinks" id="tfd" style="background-color: transparent; padding: 0; font-size:xx-small; color:#000000; text-align: center; border-bottom:1px solid #AAAAAA; ">‹ The [[Wikipedia:Template messages|template]] below has been proposed for deletion.  See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus on what to do. ›</div><includeonly>{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Template|[[Category:Templates for deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}</includeonly><noinclude>
{{protected template}}
{{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/doc}}
<!-- Add cats and interwikis to the /doc subpage, not here! -->
</noinclude>

Thanks.+mwtoews 17:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Luna Santin 00:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use correct nomination structure

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Could we change {{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}} to {{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}? The headers at WP:TFD for single template nominations are always in the format "Template:Foo", rather than "Foo". GracenotesT § 17:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

  • One would need to replace </code>See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help with </code>See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help. Such a change is not necessarily backwards compatible, because people are used to typing the name of the template in a batch set of templates, not the namespace and template name. Thus I propose this:
    See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus on what to do.</includeonly><noinclude>
  • be changed to this:
    See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus on what to do.
  • That way one can create a nomination that does not include the prefix Template: if he or she adds it as the parameter {{tfd|2=Foo}} and anyone can continue to use the template as previously by typing either {{tfd|Foo}} or {{tfd|1=Foo}}. --Iamunknown 00:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
    • N Not done for Gracenote's request; as Iamunknown has mentioned, the Template: prefix is already in the template, and the change required would break the use of TfD for all nominations (not just mass nominations; the {{{1}}} parameter is required, because otherwise the template on which this is transcluded breaks in transclusion). --ais523 17:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Y Done for Iamunknown's request; I implemented AzaToth's request from 2005 (which apparently had gone unanswered) at the same time. (Could you update the documentation for the change?) --ais523 17:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Egad, I posted that a month ago. Who knows what I was thinking then... /me thinks GracenotesT § 17:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit request to change the target of the "template" link and to display the template name

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  1. Link "template" to Wikipedia:Template namespace instead of Wikipedia:Template messages, because the latter does not even tell you what a template is. The point of this link should be to inform readers who mistake {{tfd}} for {{afd}}. This can help prevent misunderstandings in deletion debates. Alternatively, link Help:Template. –Pomte 21:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  2. The phrase "The template below" is ambiguous if a bunch of boxes are stacked, or if the box is aligned off to the side. Give the template name in the notice, to help readers better interpret exactly which template has been proposed for deletion. This can be one way to mention it: The template below (TemplateName) has been proposed... –Pomte 21:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Point two could be easily accomplished by changing the code The [[Wikipedia:Template messages|template]] below has been proposed for deletion. to The [[Help:Template|template]] (''Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}'') below has been proposed for deletion.. (The link, of course, can be changed to either; I would prefer Help:Template.) This format would work even if an editor uses the second parameter to create a mass nomination. --Iamunknown 00:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
      • I think a better way is The template below {{#if:{{{1|}}}|(''[[Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{{1}}}]]'')|}} has been proposed for deletion. This shows the bracketed name only if the first parameter is given. If the first parameter isn't given, then the template name is unknown, and it would be worse to make like the name of the transcluding article is the template name. For the link, I prefer Wikipedia:Template namespace because it seems like a more helpful introduction whereas the meta page is really long and technical. Someone clicking the link probably just wants a really concise idea of what exactly a template is. –Pomte 02:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Good point about the link. I don't think, however, think that the ParserFunction is necessary. By using (''Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}''), even if the first parameter is not given, the page name of the template will be given by default. --Iamunknown 03:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
done. CMummert · talk 22:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
{{PAGENAME}} gives the name of the transcluding article, which is totally misleading, hence my proposal to use the ParserFunction. Also, the current version doesn't link the template - linking is useful for seeing the template in question for people to identify which one it is. Also, linking "Template:" may be a little excessive, causing the line to wrap on smaller screens. –Pomte 04:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oh, I see what's going on. {{PAGENAME}} should definitely not be used, and since we cannot substitute the page name of the template (unless we totally redesign the template and the TfD culture), we should use the ParserFunction. So (''Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}'') should be replaced with {{#if:{{{1|}}}|(''[[Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{{1}}}]]'')|}}. What do you suggest to do about font size? --Iamunknown 20:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I've updated the documentation to use {{subst:PAGENAME}} to make nominating easier, and to further prevent the {{PAGENAME}} issue from occuring. I think the font size is as small as it should be. In the second sentence "See templates for deletion to help reach a consensus on what to do." we can cut the unprofessional sounding " on what to do" bit. –Pomte 03:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Agreed on the redaction. So how about changing:
        The [[Help:Template|template]] below (''Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}'') has been proposed for deletion. See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus on what to do.
      • to
        The [[Help:Template|template]] below {{#if:{{{1|}}}|(''[[Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{{1}}}]]'') |}}has been proposed for deletion. See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus.
      • Look good (despite being hideous :-P)? --Iamunknown 20:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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The trailing space after ) doesn't show up. The easiest way to fix this is to put the space after |}} instead of before. It's okay to have double spaces and that's how we're supposed to end sentences anyway. Here is the code after changing the one space:
The [[Help:Template|template]] below {{#if:{{{1|}}}|(''[[Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{{1}}}]]'')|}} has been proposed for deletion. See [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#{{{2|Template:{{ucfirst:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}|templates for deletion]] to help reach a consensus.
Making an edit request now. –Pomte 03:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 03:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

I nomianted two templates for deletion and put them under the header "US transportation." However, the TFD link points to Template:US transportation. Can someone change it so that I can remove "Template:"? hbdragon88 01:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Replace the {{tfd}} code with {{tfd|{{subst:PAGENAME}}|US transportation}}. --Iamunknown 04:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Damn. Serves me right for not reading the documentation...thanks though, unknown. hbdragon88

[edit] Suggested wording change for this and related templates

{{editprotected}} Please change the notice text from "proposed for deletion" to "nominated for deletion" or "is being considered for deletion" to follow the convention of other such templates and avoid confusion with WP:PROD. This request applies to Template:Tfd, Template:Tfd-inline and Template:Catfd. heqs ·:. 08:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I've modified all 3 templates. The /doc files are not protected. I'll leave it to you to modify those please. --After Midnight 0001 13:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Done and thanks. heqs ·:. 11:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The New Style for Messages and Deleting Templates

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You know how we're migrating to the new ambox templates for messages? Personally, I think that you should get rid of the line in the template for TFD, and make it so that it says that "This template has been nominated for deletion" or something like that instead so we can slit it into the template box itself ViperSnake151 13:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There should be discussion before any changes are requested. Cheers. --MZMcBride 16:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Niggly technical issue when this template is included in a template used in another template (does your head hurt yet?)

{{editprotected|A technical issue with this template can cause it to erroneously suggest a specific template is slated for deletion if that specific template uses ANY OTHER TEMPLATE tagged with the TFD template}}

Okay, I just stumbled across this weird issue, which takes a bit of explaining. Let's say there's a template tagged for deletion with this TFD template. (say, {{cleanupreason}}) If that template is then included in another template (say, {{Infobox movie certificates}}) then the transcluded notice that the FIRST template (cleanupreason) is being considered for deletion will instead link to a discussion for the SECOND template, (Infobox movie certificates) giving the impression that the SECOND template is up for deletion.

Yeah, I know, that's a headache. It's also probably going to be a headache to sort out, but someone needs to. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 00:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

That's already been sorted, I think; when doing this, it's necessary to give the name of the first template as parameter 1 to the {{tfd}} template itself to prevent problems with links. --ais523 09:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Okie dokie, seems to work. Perhaps I should add a note about the possible issue to the documentation. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 10:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Text Size

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The text is small and sneaky.. if someone wasn't looking for it, they'd miss it and therefore miss the opportunity to way in on discussion of the TfD. AfD isn't like that, why is TfD? -- ALLSTAR ECHO 02:51, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Declined - There's a very good reason that the text is small: It otherwise disrupts the layout of every page upon which the template to be deleted is placed. Making the text big would make this template more annoying than it need be. Nihiltres(t.l) 13:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Making the text a normal 10px size wouldn't disrupt anything... -- ALLSTAR ECHO 13:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link directly to log page?

Why not have the "templates for deletion" link go to the day's log page? TfD has long ago migrated to a daily log system and having to load other days' discussions just to place the listing on today's log is unnecessary trouble. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 07:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible width problem?

Is it Tfd which is forcing the infobox on Methane to be so wide? (SEWilco (talk) 04:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC))