Portal talk:Textile Arts/Archive 1

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Contents 1 DYK 2 Intro text is deficient 3 Commons link in portal 4 Intro, and/or namechange of this portal? 5 Surprise in Unassessed 6 Where do we stand? 7 Selected quotes 8 New section, Portal:Textile Arts/Quality content 9 Biography discussion threads moved 10 DYK 10.1 DYK Next round 10.2 More DYK 11 Where do we stand? (redux) 12 Notes on what to put into rotation 12.1 Articles 12.2 Images 13 Weaving

DYK

Note

WP:DYK section of portal discussion moved to Portal talk:Textile Arts/DYK. Cirt (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro text is deficient

Portal:Textile Arts/Intro

Someone should either:

1. Expand this intro text on their own, using some nice wikilinking and such, or
2. Find a good "main article" as discussed above (or write a new one for Textile arts) and then bold the wikilink to that article in the intro text. The WP:LEAD from that article could serve as the intro text for this portal.

Cirt (talk) 20:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I have done these things:

• Created (and now expanded) Textile arts
• Changed Textile art from a redirect to a disambiguation page with links to textile arts and fiber art
• Edited the {{textile arts}} template to link to Textile arts (was linked to textile art)
• Put up a DYK nom for textile arts
• Confirmed that the "main article" for Category:Textile arts is Textile arts
• Updated Portal:Textile Arts/Intro with text from and links to Textile arts

How would we feel about changing out the image in the Portal Intro to the one used in the article (right}? It's more representative and more colorful (and easer to tell what one is looking at). - PKM (talk) 20:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Commons link in portal

How can we link our Commons link in the footer to Commons:Category:Textile arts rather than Commons:Textile Arts, as the Religion portal does?

I have done a bunch of cleanup in the Commons - more is needed. - PKM (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll fix that soon, and the whole "sister links" section as well. Cirt (talk) 22:55, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Cirt. Also see just above re: the textile arts article if you missed it in my flurry of changes to this page today. - PKM (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro, and/or namechange of this portal?

There is no such article on Wikipedia "Textile arts" - but there are two other closer ones:

1. Fiber art
2. Textile

Anyone think we should move this portal to one of those names? Or, conversely, that someone should create an article for Textile arts? (Currently a redirect to Fiber art) Cirt (talk) 16:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally I think it'd be better if someone just creates an article for "Textile arts", so that this portal has an obvious main article for it. Cirt (talk) 20:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually that got bot-redirected on January 15 because the article never developed. Durova^Charge! 23:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Weirder than that; Textile arts got redirected to Textile art (not the same thing!) and thenTextile art got redirected to Fiber art, which makes perfect sense.

I do think we need Textile arts as a survey article. - PKM (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, then at some point someone should remove the redirect and recreate the article. Would make for a good WP:DYK. Cirt (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I've started a survey article at Textile arts; will expand today. - PKM (talk) 18:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, looks good. Cirt (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Durova^Charge! 01:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Surprise in Unassessed

I have some good news. I am working on clearing out Unassessed and came across Knitta, a article rated as GA. This should help in the ongoing bid for Featured Portal Status. Geoff Plourde (talk) 20:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Knitta, thanks. I'll add that one soon. Cirt (talk) 21:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Where do we stand?

Cirt, could you give us a summary of where we need to prioritize our efforts? If I understand correctly, here's where we are:

• Basic articles: 12 in rotation, exceeds the baseline of 10.
• Images: unknown number in rotation, but plenty of high quality material for featured candidacy.
• DYK: 21? 24? more than enough, with plenty of accompanying images
• Biography/Fiction: Here's the sticking point, right?
• Navigation: FWIW could we make it easier for a portal visitor to navigate into project space?

Durova^Charge! 21:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Current standing of portal

• (25) Selected pictures, all free-use, w/ link to an associated article.
• (12) Selected articles, all of "B-class" or higher, all w/ associated free-use image.
• (7) sets of (3) WP:DYK hooks, all had previously appeared at T:DYK, all with one associated free-use image.

Things that still need some work

1. Biography/Fiction -- Personally I'd rather go with a "Selected biography" section, start it with the 4 selections, above, and get them all up to at least "B" status. Then, we'd only need 6 more... Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
2. Associated Wikimedia -- Currently is using Template:WikimediaForPortals, I'd rather have it have its own subpage to transclude, I can work on this myself, and I'll model it after other Featured Portals, not too hard to do, just a matter of getting to it. Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
3. Main topics -- Nice, but a little skimpy, consider other versions from other Featured Portals. For example, Portal:Sustainable development. Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
4. Things you can do -- Also a bit skimpy, I could reformat this modeling after other Featured Portals, like Portal:Comedy and Portal:Sustainable development. Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
5. WikiProjects -- Looks sort of oddly formatted, could use some minor tweaking, modeling it after other Featured Portals. Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
6. Selected quote -- Not required, but I'd like to add this section, I think we could find at least 10 quotes from individuals with both existing Wikipedia articles and with free-use photos. See for example Featured Portal, Portal:Television, for an idea. Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Those are some thoughts going forward. The big hangup is the "Selected biography" section, the other stuff shouldn't take too long at all really. Cirt (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I should be able to work on some of those. Maybe I'll begin with converting some of the fiction entries into selected quotes. The biography issue is really going to bite. We'd better start with a list of what we've got and see what we can build upon. Durova^Charge! 22:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather have the "Selected quotes" be from real people, ideally, instead of fiction. I'll set up a "Selected quote" section, so you see what I mean. Cirt (talk) 22:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Selected quotes

• Please see discussion, which has been moved to Portal talk:Textile Arts/Selected quote. Cirt (talk) 22:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

New section, Portal:Textile Arts/Quality content

For highlighting WP:GA and WP:FA-quality content. Feel free to let me know or update w/ new additions. Cirt (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• Palestinian costumes: WP:GA Durova^Charge! 10:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Biography discussion threads moved

Biography discussion threads have been moved to Portal talk:Textile Arts/Selected biography. Cirt (talk) 19:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK

The new lead article textile arts made DYK on 15 February. I've self-assessed it as start class; would appreciate someone other than me determining if it's ready for B-class. - PKM (talk) 03:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Y Done, added to a new set of potential 3 at Portal:Textile Arts/DYK. Cirt (talk) 05:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure that there are at least a couple more relevant DYKs, if someone wanted to go scouring the older archives at WP:Recent additions... Cirt (talk) 16:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Knitta was DYK on 28 Dec 2007. That's one! - PKM (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Y Done, added that one, thanks. Cirt (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

That was fast!

Textile preservation on 19 June 2007. - PKM (talk) 17:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Y Done, that completes the most recent set of 3 (7th), for 21 hooks total. Cirt (talk) 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK Next round

I just found Kasuti and tagged it for our project. DYK 26 April 2007. - PKM (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I moved one around so each set has an image, 2 more to complete an 8th set of 3. Cirt (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

More DYK

Slip (needlework) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 28 February 2008. - PKM (talk) 23:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Y Done, has been added to the portal. Cirt (talk) 23:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

1 more needed to complete the lastest 8th set of 3. Cirt (talk) 23:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Where do we stand? (redux)

I did some work on other parts of the portal recently, and once we have (at least) 10 bios in the "Selected biography" section that are of "B" class or better, well-sourced with a good WP:LEAD, and preferably an accompanying free-use image, this portal will be more than ready for a 2nd WP:PPREV (just to double check things) and then WP:FPORTC in short order. Cirt (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I've expanded the to-do list for the portal and will go to work on biographies. Assume as a starting point that I will not be able to bring us up to 10 B-class biographies all by myself; I've been recruiting all the help I can get with that. Durova^Charge! 21:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Notes on what to put into rotation

Articles

1. Cochineal
2. History of silk
3. Knitta

   I added this one because it has a free-use image and it is WP:GA class, after all, but the lede could still stand to be expanded a bit, both for the article itself, and for the "blurb" for appearance in the portal. Not a big priority issue, just thought I'd note that here. Cirt (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

4. Palestinian costumes
5. Navajo rug
6. Knitting
7. Smocking

   Can't go with this one, it's only "Start" class, not very well sourced, not that great for a portal selection. WP:LEAD is a tad bit short too. Cirt (talk) 18:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

   I'll try to expand this. Durova^Charge! 01:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

   Added some. Might still be too short? Durova^Charge! 08:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

   Added this one. Cirt (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

8. Tyrian purple
9. Textile preservation
10. Weaving
11. Wool

    Can't really use this one, the WP:LEAD is way too short, and it's not very well sourced either. Cirt (talk) 18:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

12. Indigo dye

    Nice image, but again, the WP:LEAD would have to be about double its current size for this to work well in the portal. Cirt (talk) 18:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

13. Pleat

    B-class, well-sourced - PKM (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

    B-class, good sourcing, but the WP:LEAD of the article is way too short, would have to be about double current size for a good portal addition. Cirt (talk) 06:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

14. Darning

    Currently start-class (Durova, do you think this is ready to bump up to B-class, or still too short?) - PKM (talk) 05:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

    According to Cirt, we're okay with ten of these. Could you add to the fictional works further down, or to the portal intro? Durova^Charge! 05:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

    We only have 8 that Cirt has accepted. - PKM (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

15. Bayeux Tapestry

    B-class, nice image, could work, but the WP:LEAD could be expanded a tad more. Cirt (talk) 16:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

16. Hemp
17. Goldwork (embroidery)
18. Luddite

    Adding four more for consideration. Durova^Charge! 09:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

19. Valois Tapestries

    I've just upgraded this to B-class (was still marked as a stub from the day I started it before it made DYK). I think the WP:LEAD is long enough? - PKM (talk) 17:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

    Added this one. Cirt (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

20. Baldachin

    I just tagged this for our project and rated it B-class. - PKM (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

    Added. Cirt (talk) 23:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Images

Note

Images discussion has been moved to Portal talk:Textile Arts/Selected picture. Cirt (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Images

Are there accompanying articles that could be highlighted/go along with the above images, i.e. to incorporate a brief bit from those articles' leads for the text that will go along w/ each Selected picture? Cirt (talk) 16:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll write up some description text; some of the related articles are in poor condition. What I've been doing overnight is downloading and restoring some more high quality graphic files from the Library of Congress. That's one area where I can raise the quality on the material pretty quickly. Durova^Charge! 23:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Best way to retrieve them in all their glory is from DIFFs to T:DYK, or the WP:Recent additions archives. Cirt (talk) 10:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Weaving

I would like to draw your attention to the following DYK that appeared on Main Page on 28 November 2007:

• ...that on the banks of Shitalakshya River, in Bangladesh, there are artistic weaving (pictured) centres, where once the muslin industry flourished?

- P.K.Niyogi (talk) 01:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the heads up. :) Durova^Charge! 04:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Added that hook into portal rotation. Cirt (talk) 01:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)