Talk:Tewodros II of Ethiopia
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[edit] Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
Needs an infobox, but otherwise a B.
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 02:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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This articles seems a little too.....eulogistic - by all accounts Theodore, though in many ways a reformer was also a bloodthirsty psychopath (Wald Gabr massacre, reduction of Gondar etc) - does nayone want to correct the imbalance in the article or shall I try?--Peteranthony 15:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems more like you are the bloodthirsty psychopath. Speak for yourself. British enthusiast! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.197.230.14 (talk • contribs) on 21:21, 5 June 2006
lol - I am being serious though- fair enough, look's like I'll be doing it myself. --Peteranthony 17:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone should correct the article anyway, after all this man killed tens of thousands in cold (and hot) blood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.232.1.229 (talk • contribs) on 11:51, 30 October 2006
Is there a source for the "Not Even Pending" statement regarding the letter? It sounds like a joke taken out of context.
Eye-witness accounts of Theodore's actions are unanimous in their descriptions of his madness and cruelty, describing the crucifixion and senseless slaughter of many thousands of people, including women and children:
G.A. Henty, "The March to Magdala", 1868; The reporting of Sir Henry Morton Stanley for the New York Herald, and "Coomasie and Magdala", 1874; William Simpson's reporting for the Illustrated London News, and "Diary of a Journey to Abyssinia, 1868"; Dr. Henry Blanc, "A Narrative of Captivity in Abyssinia", 1868; Mormuzd Rassam, "Narrative of the British Mission to Theodore of Ethiopia", 1869.
There is also an account of Theodore's atrocities related by Wald Gabr, Theodore's valet, given to Captain Charles Tristram Speedy, who was with the the British expedition against Theodore. I do not have this citation at the moment, but will look for it. So there seems to be overwhelming firsthand corroboration of Theodore's reputation as a psychopathic mass murderer. Kdoylekeenan 19:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[User: kdoylekeenan]
- Calling him a sociopath is reducing a complex individual to a stereotype; as Sven Rubenson has pointed out (in his King of Kings: Tewodros of Ethiopia), even the primary sources disagree about what the man said and did. To have achieved victory over the other warlords of the Zemene Mesafint required a certain degree of cold-bloodedness, but victorious generals often possess this quality. By the point in his life when multiple reliable sources are available, he was under a great deal of strain from having to repeatedly crush determined & implacable rebellions practically throughout his realm. That his behavior towards the end of his life was increasingly erratic shouldn't either be a great surrpise, nor should it be used as how he "typically" behaved throughout his life. -- llywrch 01:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Russian descendents
From the Wikipedia articles it's not clear which is the exact genealogical relationship among Tewodros, Peter Ustinov, Alexandre Benois, Eugene Lanceray, Zinaida Serebryakova, Anna Akhmatova and Leon Benois. Are there more famous Tewodrosids besides Ustinov? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.20.17.84 (talk • contribs) on 16:33, 20 September 2006
