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Contents 1 WP:FLC 2 Hugh Trumble 3 Other "Test" hat-tricks 4 Test #

[edit] WP:FLC

This article could shortly be a featured list candidate -- —Moondyne 07:27, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

You think? ;) See my inline comments after the table for possible improvements to be added:

1. Innings of opposition
2. Types of dismissal (b, lbw, ct, etc) and names of batsmen
3. Actual dates of hat-tricks (rather than just season)
4. Links to match reports (e.g. at cricinfo).

In addition:

1. A better footnote system would be good - I've never got my bead around the options († etc does not work for that many notes; also query whether the notes are necessary since I added the explanatory text).
2. It would be nice to add articles for the redlinked players

Pretty much all of this is possible from the references cited and would, I think, be enhancements. Given time, I'll get round to it, but please feel free to go ahead yourself. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Do whatever it takes! Haha I'm pretty sure I created this list when I still didn't have a username. I like the ideas, I think there might be an issue with point 2, unless you can think of a way to do it without making the page too much wider. Maybe make each hattrick span 3 rows, and have the wicket details on each row? AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 11:58, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking of something like this:

Bowler	Dismissal
	Type	Batsman
XXX	1. lbw	aaa
	2. b	bbb
	3. ct	ccc
YYY	1. ct	ddd
	2. st	eee
	3. ht wkt	fff

or this:

Bowler	Dismissals
XXX	1. lbw	aaa	2. b	bbb	3. ct	ccc
YYY	1. ct	ddd	2. st	eee	3. ht wkt	fff

or simply a list (Batsman#1 (lbw), Batsman#2 (b), Batsman#3 (ct)), possibly in <small>? --ALoan (Talk) 12:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, comments would be welcome: this is still a work in progress... -- ALoan (Talk) 00:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hugh Trumble

Just for the record, I have had some problems disentangling Hugh Trumble's hat-tricks. It seems pretty clear that the first was at the 2nd Ashes Test of 1901/2, but from the scorecards, the second could have been at the 2nd or the 5th Ashes Test of 1903/4 (all played at Melbourne, his home ground).

Here are some CI links to scorecards for the Tests:

1. ENG_AUS_T2_01-04JAN1902
2. (the 5th Test in 1901/2 was also at Melbourne, but there is no hat-trick candidate - for interest, ENG_AUS_T5_28FEB-04MAR1902)
3. ENG_AUS_T2_01-05JAN1904
4. ENG_AUS_T5_05-08MAR1904

(For further interest, here is his complete test record.)

In the 2nd Test of 1901/2, Trumble clearly took the wickets of Gunn (8th), Jones (9th) and Barnes (10th) with the score staying at 175 to end the England 2nd innings in the 2nd Test of 1901/2 so Australia won the match by 229 runs. This must be the first hat-trick.

However, Trumble seems to have taken three wickets with the scores level in both of the 1903/4 Tests at Melbourne:

• In the 2nd Test, Trumble took the wickest of Rhodes (5th), Knight (6th) and Lilley (7th) with the score staying on 74 (Rhodes out last on day 3, 4 January 1904, and the other two presumably out to the first balls of day 4, 5 January 1904). This is identified as the hat-trick by one source [1] and would, incidentally, include one of only two occasions when a Test hat-trick included a stumping. England still won by 185 runs.
• In the 5th Test, Trumble took the wickest of Bosanquet (6th), Warner (7th) and Lilley (again) (8th) with the score level on 61 (all on day 3, 8 March 1904). This is identified as the hat-trick by some other sources [2] [3] [4] [5] It is quite distinctive, since it was his final Test. Australia went on to win by 218 runs.

Now, clearly there could be dot balls between the wickets in either case. However, the weight of sources, and the distinctive situation, incline me to 5th Test of 1903/4, particularly this, which seems to be reports from The Age from 1904. However, can anyone confirm for certain which is the hat-trick? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

200 Seasons of Australian Cricket says it was the 5th Test, but with different batsmen to the ones you listed:

"Hat-trick Hugh Melbourne - March 8. Hugh Trumble has announced his retirement from first-class cricket, and he ended his great career in the best possibl way - with a hat-trick. As Australia crusied to an anticlimactic 218-run victory in the fifth Test, Trumble whipped thourgh Albert Knight, Bernard Bosanquet and Arthur Lilley to win the plaudits of the small last-day crowd and his team-mates..... Trumble's first hat-trick, also at the MCG came in the second Test in 1901-02, when he again took the last three wickets of the match."

It is strange though, because the scorecard you linked to has Warner dismissed between Bosanquet and Lilley, which would not be possible seeing as Knight was dismissed at 3/38 (possibly the last ball of a spell). I'll see if I can find another source. Great work on the page by the way. AlbinoMonkey ^(Talk) 12:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. According to the scorecard, Knight was out 3rd, caught off Trumble with the score on 38, but Trumble then took the wicket of Foster, out 4th caught off Trumble with the score on 47, and then Bosanquet, Warner and Lilley 6th, 7th and 8th, and lastly Trumble took the wicket of Arnold, 9th out: so Knight cannot be part of the hat-trick unless Foster is too. (Trumble took the last seven wickets to fall, 3rd to 9th, with one player absent hurt). -- ALoan (Talk) 13:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Other "Test" hat-tricks

Just for the record, I think Barlow's was the only hat-trick in the 1970 RotW "Tests" (I had mistakenly added that Australian Garth McKenzie took one in the fifth match, at The Oval; despite the scorecard - [6] - 1971 Wisden says that he didn't).

On South African rebel tours, there were (at least) two hat-tricks in the 1985 tour by Australian led by Kim Hughes, both taken in the third "Test" at Wanderers by South Africans, Garth Le Roux and Clive Rice.[7] The other tours were in 1982 (English team led by Graham Gooch), 1982 (Sri Lankan team led by Bandula Warnapura, Arosa Sri Lanka), 1982-83 and 1983-84 (two West Indian teams) and 1990 (English team led by Mike Gatting). I'd be grateful if anyone could add further details of hat-tricks in the "Tests" on those tours. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

While RoTW teams were extremely strong, it is doubtful whether any of the rebel teams were representative of the real first XIs from their country or near Test class Tintin (talk) 04:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Shane Bond(NZ) got a hat-trick against Australia in the 06-07 Commonwealth Bank Series in Australia

That was a one-day match. Tintin 10:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Test #

Shouldn't the Test number column contain the number of the Test so they can be compared against eachother, rather than the Test in the series which I don't see much use for. Tony2Times (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)