Talk:Terry Fator

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[edit] 1000 seat theatre Performance

I'd interpreted this quote as "Fator once performed a show at a 1000-seat theater, in which only one child (a 12-year old boy) was in attendance, prompting him to almost quit." This suggests that he wanted to perform for children, but that they were rarely in attendance. It makes virtually no sense that a 12-year old would attend a show by himself without his parents. If someone else can corraborate this, it should be changed CuttlefishTech 02:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

That is exacly what he said in the Top 10 episode. You can look for it on youtube and see it for yourself (unfortunately we cannot put that link to the article as it is a copyvio). --Kudret abi 04:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Should've been more clear: I think he meant that there were many adults in the audience, but only one child. CuttlefishTech 23:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Piers Morgan clarified this in the final four episode. "I remember you telling us about the time a couple years ago and you played a show and one person turned up and you thought, "I'm gonna quit"." 71.127.0.31 (talk) 23:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Also see here for a news citation. 71.127.0.31 (talk) 11:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Life After America's Got Talent

Is it just me, or does it sound like this section was written by his PR agent? It seems like a lot of this stuff is unverified and should be removed. --Citizen Sykes 04:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I reworded part of this, mostly because the first couple sentences were incomplete and didn't make much sense. Some of it consisted of sentence fragments. One portion had a citation added, which had to be erroneous, since the sentence talked about occurrences after he had won the show, but the citation was for the "Final Eight" show. It hadn't happened at that time. I also removed the location where his mother is a real estate agent, as it could be interpreted as an ad for her. With her name and the town she works, it would be quite easy to find it. This needs a lot of fine tuning. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Info box picture

After putting the existing image in the info box, I noticed that several people have already tried to do this, but were reverted by Kudret abi. The reason given was "Fair use images cannot be used in the infobox (see WP:FU)" I looked and WP:FU doesn't mention info boxes. What gives Kudret abi? Why are you reverting? – jaksmata 20:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, you are right, I should have said WP:FUC, not WP:FU. There it states "No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." This is the criteria referred to when saying FU images are not acceptable in infoboxes. The argument is that the aim of an image in Fator's infobox is to depict what he looks like, and since he is a living person, a free equivalent can be generated because someone could take a picture of Fator and release it under a free license. I hope that this explanation helps. --Kudret abiTalk 06:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Although I think I understand the policy at WP:FUC, I still don't see where in the policy it says "no non-free pictures in info boxes." The ongoing discussion there seems only partially related to this, since it is about TV shows and this article is about a person. Just to be safe, I've moved it out of the info box and added a note so that other editors will look here before repeating what I did. – jaksmata 17:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I've started a thread in Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Infoboxes so that hopefully someone will add something about infoboxes to WP:FUC. –panda (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the infobox is the main issue and I also don't think the problem has been solved simply by taking the image out of the infobox and placing it above the infobox. The question is not where it is used, but how it is used. This is an unfree image that is being used to show what Terry Fator looks like with his arm inside a puppet. No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose applies regardless of where the image appears. The image is replaceable because somebody could take a picture of him and release it as a free image. Even though one is not available now, one could be created. Under this policy the image should be removed from the article. It should also be removed from Ventriloquism and images from Commons could be used - "ventriloquism", as a topic, needs to be illustrated and there are free images. It's not vital that specific performers be illustrated by using unfree images. (I've removed it from "ventriloquism" where there are now 3 free images, making the Terry Fator unfree image even less usable). I can see some justification in using it in the America's Got Talent article, because that is specific to the show, and everything from the show would be subject to copyright and therefore not replaceable. Rossrs (talk) 02:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
If the image is deleted because of an invalid fair-use rationale, so be it. I'm putting it back into the info box - see the reasons at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Infoboxes. – jaksmata 16:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
It's been archived - see here: Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_31#Infoboxes – jaksmata 14:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Replaced fair image with free one. miranda 04:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)