Talk:Territorialism
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[edit] USSR and Jewish nationalist movements
I think it is safe to remove Jewish Autonomous Oblast until there is some evidence that it, or other Soviet projects (see e.g. OZET/Komzet) were related to the ITO. BTW, "nationalism" was a really bad word in the officially "internationalist" USSR. ←Humus sapiens ну? 02:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- This is not an article about ITO, but about territorialism, so I have replaced it with some contextualisation. BobFromBrockley 12:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please demonstrate relation of JAO, a Stalinist project, to the Territorialist movement. Until then, it doesn't belong here. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have re-added the "see also" link to Jewish Autonomous Oblast that Humus sapiens put in and was subsequently removed as having nothing to do with the article. The JAO was a territorialist project, even if it was also a Stalinist project, and was supported, anxiously followed and indeed financed by masses of Jewish people in the West, as resonating with their territorialist aspirations (as shown, for example, by Henry Srebrnik's archival work on this). BobFromBrockley 15:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Territorialism in general, especially under Steinberg's leadership, was not really nationalist. Steinberg was a very radical libertarian socialist, who opposed the very idea of a Jewish (or any) nation-state. Ironically, Steinberg, Erich Fromm and many other known supporters of territorialism, were way too internationalist for the Soviet government officials. Steinberg disliked JAO for it's authoritarian policies, but internationalism was clearly not an issue of disagreement. Laplandian 16:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Apart from the (ITO), within the USSR there was also a Territorialist effort in Ukraine, the Crimea and then towards Birobidzan, where a "Jewish Autonomous Region" was established in 1934. [1] Culturalrevival 11:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- I have re-added the "see also" link to Jewish Autonomous Oblast that Humus sapiens put in and was subsequently removed as having nothing to do with the article. The JAO was a territorialist project, even if it was also a Stalinist project, and was supported, anxiously followed and indeed financed by masses of Jewish people in the West, as resonating with their territorialist aspirations (as shown, for example, by Henry Srebrnik's archival work on this). BobFromBrockley 15:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please demonstrate relation of JAO, a Stalinist project, to the Territorialist movement. Until then, it doesn't belong here. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 1905/1917
Is it really more correct to say that it was only possible to be a Zionist and territorialist up to 1905 (the formal break in the Zionist movement) rather than up to 1917 (the Balfour Declaration)? Syrkin's SZ continued to keep the territorialist option open, while explicitly naming itself Zionist. And even Zangwill, I believe, did not repudiate the term Zionist but continued to see his ITO as Zionist. BobFromBrockley 15:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
