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[edit] List of Terriers

Just wondering if the Terrier breed list is incomplete, or if there are reasons why some breeds have been left out. Anyone have any objections to my adding:

  • Australian Silky Terrier
  • Russian Black Terrier
  • English Toy Terrier
  • Miniature Fox Terrier
  • Toy Fox Terrier
  • Tenterfield Terrier
  • Rat Terrier
  • American Pit Bull Terrier
  • Norfolk Terrier
  • Norwich Terrier
  • Japanese Terrier


I just added a Terrier navbox that has more terriers included. DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 13:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hunt Terriers vs. Hunting Terriers

Was this distinction intentionally made? I can see where it would be, but wanted to clarify. Keep in mind, whoever is writing this, that some terriers 'cross over'; i.e. they are hunting terriers (which I assume applies to hunting for food or pelts, vermin routing etc.) and were used for The (Fox) Hunt. Quill 00:10, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Fox Terrier

While the recent edit by an anonymous user was logical, ultimately it would confuse matters; someone would have to remember to come back here and change things back. Further, this is a breed list, not a type list. The fox terrier article discusses type; it is not restricted to the specific breeds Smooth and Wire-haired fox terriers. I think a better choice is to leave the separation, as it is in keeping with the way the breeds are listed in the rest of the project. Opinions? Quill 09:19, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Elf | Talk 22:16, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

i reverted the edits made by Toytoy b/c the breed list shows the breed names with the wire, smooth and miniature after the main breed name. i believe that's what we've decided to use. [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 14:00, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yup. Refer to List of dog breeds. Elf | Talk 17:39, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple terrier lists

I'm still bothered by the fact that we have at least 3 complete lists of terriers (not to mention the new category:Terriers that Multmoma kindly filled in)--Terrier, Terrier Group, and FCI Terrier Group. Harking back to this ancient discussion, I'd like once again to propose having just a single list, perhaps in the Terrier article, perhaps in a table similar to this:

Breed AKC CKC FCI section KC
Airedale Terrier Y Y 1 (USA) Y
American Staffordshire Terrier Y Y 3 (Canada) n

(note countries are invented for this example.)

I think that it gives a more complete list of terriers and a better picture of what's recognized worldwide and what isn't; I think that it'll avoid confusing people who might land on multiple of these pages and not be clear on what's going on; I think that it'll help in long-term article maintenance.

Thoughts? Elf | Talk 17:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How about 1. Terrier delete terrier list from. Add sentence like 'for a list of dogs classed as terriers, refer to category:terriers' . 2. Terrier Group add the line about not all dogs in the terrer groups being terriers and not all terriers being in the terrier group, leave the rest as is AND/OR add your table (e.g. above) in here. 3. FCI Terrier Group leave as is. Quill 09:28, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The only problem with relying on the category list is that it includes only articles that exist & not breeds that don't yet have articles. But I guess the terrier group article could just include all terrier breeds whether recognized by any KCs or not and that might suffice... Hmmm. Elf | Talk 18:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
uh...good point...forgot that bit...never mind.... Quill 22:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable addition

I've deleted a recent addition to the list of terrier breeds: with all possible respect, I doubt that there is such a recognized breed as the "Nicole McPherson Bitch-Faced Terrier". Cactus Wren 18:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Yorkies

First of all, the picture of the dogs in the article calls them Yorkies, while it would be much more encyclopedic to call them Yorkshire Terriers in the caption. Then, take a look at the note below the breed list, which says Yorkshires are considered toy dogs; so should the picture even be in this article in the first place? Maybe a terrier aficionado can clear this all up. 213.100.23.240 17:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the 'Yorkies' caption to Yorkshire Terriers. 12Ghost12 10:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KC

Shouldn't the FCI's group listings for terriers be used instead of the AKC's? Especially since the AKC's listing is only pertinent for the US whereas the FCI's is useful for roughly 80 countries (the number taken from their own entry). Either that or link to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrier_Group which has a full listing of all breeds recognised as being a part of the Terrier group with International variations noted. Or if neither option, at least note which ones are recognised in which country as terriers etc. --Aria elwen 08:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of terriers

The previous list of terriers was not only incomplete, but was exclusive to terriers that were recognized by the AKC. (For example the Teddy Roosevelt Terrier was not listed.) I replaced it with the Terrier template, which is much more complete and not exclusive to the American club, as what they call a terrier seems to be different from what everyone else calls a terrier. Also, this Wikipedia is designed for all English using countries (incl. United Kingdom, Australia) DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here 21:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

It doesn't seem that there is a "controversy" about what is registered as a terrier; different KCs just make different choices.

Norwich Terrier is not a toy; it retains more or less its original size, while others have been bred up to be larger dogs, mostly to win dog shows.

Bull Terriers are not a good example of fighting dog as they are too small and have been bred as pets for too long (100+ years). Fighting dog websites show the Tosa Inu and Molosser type dogs as preferred fighting dogs, although they claim if "properly" trained even a poodle will fight. No I'm not providing any links, it's too disgusting. I only researched it for clarity.

The trouble with categories of terrier is that almost any terrier can be in any category, with size being the main factor for purpose-bred and or raised dogs. For example, most terriers today are too big and too wide in the chest to go down a fox hole, even if that was why their ancestors were kept. Hafwyn (talk) 02:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Made famous...

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Terrier. Thank you. - DiligentTerrier (and friends) 20:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I do usually put summary. I'll explain why I removed it: Where it said "The terriers were made famous throughout the 1990s, when Charlie "the champion" won the Dog of the Year award 7 years in a row" it is not particularly meaningful. Made famous where? In the UK where most of them came from they have always been well known. Also who is Charlie the champion, what kind of dog was he and what is 'Dog of the year award'. Are they notable at all? --CharlesC (talk) 20:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)