Talk:Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins

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[edit] Previous AFDs

Note: Previous AfDs:

  1. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terminator 4
  2. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terminator 4 (2nd nomination)
  3. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terminator 4 (4th nomination)

No idea what happened to cause the lack of a third one. Please don't ask for recreation unless reliable sources start to show evidence that this film will exist. -- nae'blis (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

How does IMDB sound for you? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/ And even so, Terminator 4 may not be a film, but it is, however, an idea. Does Wikipedia not have other articles on "ideas", or is Wikipedia suddenly not an idea now? Judging by the ending of Terminator 3, I would imagine that yes there is going to be a Terminator 4 and there is more than good reason to have it here. Besides, what harm does it do to Wikipedia to have an article that people would be interested in? I sure as hell am interested in the concept of T4, and I HATED T3. 86.141.141.124 10:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

How does Wikipedia is not a crystal ball sound for you? Shinhan 15:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Terminator 4 has been confirmed by Jonathan Mostow, he has been signed on to do it, just google Terminator 4 news and you'll get a slew of good info. SovietGuy
I'm not trawling through Google News (first page of results were blank) but I have this page on my watchlist so if you post some good quality URLs here of recent news stories saying that the film is now in production or at least casting, we can reconsider it. For now it's vapourware and the page stays locked until there's anything encyclopedic to write about. --kingboyk 12:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I think he meant google "terminator 4 news". I got [1] which say its "confirmed", but it really doesnt look like a WP:RS. Shinhan 14:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You better kill off Mad Max IV then cause it's just as likely as T4.SovietGuy 05:26 or 05:26, 31 August 2006 User:Soviet Guy

There have been these Terminator-related AfD's:

Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] from my talk page

[edit] Terminator 4.

Are those enough reliable sources to create a Terminator 4 article? If the writer, Michael Ferris, is already giving interviews to Entertainment Weekly, then why can't we make an article? I swear, if given the chance, i can create a pretty good stub with plenty of sources that won't be any more against WP:NOT then the article for The Grudge 3 is, or Snakes on a Plane was before it's release. So, what do you say? dposse 21:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not personally convinced yet (most of those are search/aggregate links), but if the consensus here is to give a stub a try, it'll be better off discussed here. IMDB has nothing firm, Yahoo still thinks it might come out in late 2005, a better RT link has no useful data except who won't be in it, and EW rehashes everything else already on the board. The Coming Soon at least says they've got a script, but that's it. Is there any sort of studio announcement, like with Grudge 3? Is there a director, actors, or greenlight anywhere in print? -- nae'blis 13:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I don’t think that any of the links can be considered a reliable source. IMDB still has a disclaimer about the unsure nature of the information, and the only cast member listed is said to be rumoured. Most of the other links contain several years old information or refer to Entertainment Weekly, but the page at EW has no solid information except about a new cyborg to which they claim Variety as a source.
I agree that one could probably write an acceptable stub on the subject, that is how this article survived its second AFD. But soon after that it grew to its previous state where it contained speculation, fan fiction and on one occasion even fan graphics (a suggested poster). Bergsten 22:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm also not convinced there's anything enyclopedic to write. There may well be an interesting news story, yes, but something credible for an encyclopedia that won't look like nonsense in 12 months time? There's really no rush... That said, if you're convinced otherwise why not write the article on this talk page or in your user box, and if it looks good we can take it live? --kingboyk 09:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was a bit unclear there. I am not in favour of adding anything yet (not even a stub). Bergsten 18:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, the curse of improper indenting :) I was kinda replying to the original poster. I'm pretty much in agreement with you my friend, but if the original poster wishes to convince me that we're wrong I'm willing to listen. Sorry about the confusion. --kingboyk 21:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Google search for "Terminator 4" just now got "about 997,000" ghits. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] edit protect

This page is a double redirect, but it's protected, so I can't fix it. Can someone fix it? Ian F. 17:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. --Sherool (talk) 22:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
It's still a double redirect... it should direct to Terminator (series) instead of Terminator (film series). Anthony Hit me up... 12:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Done. --kingboyk 17:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello, meanwhile, there is a page named Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. This redirect has to be fixed again, I think... --Koveras ☭ 16:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

This page needs to be redirected to Terminator series#Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. It's a better place for the redirect to be.--EclipseSSD (talk) 10:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Please redirect this page to Terminator (franchise)#Terminator 4 - it's how the section is named now. --Addict 2006 04:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This poster is fake

I'm sorry but this poster is a fake. The orb is of poor quality and you can see that the Halcyon Company logo comes from another source, since it's set in a lighter black rectangle. Even with what can be read on the source page, this is not reliable enough. It's a joke, that's all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klow (talk • contribs)

[edit] Title

Variety reports the film is still titled Salvation: The Future Begins. Considering ComingSoon.net, a less reliable source, reported that title was dropped, I think I will move it back, unless someone objects. Alientraveller (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with it, but it's not worth an argument or edit war if someone reverts it back (which I bet will happen). Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] StreetHop

I'm not convinced about reliability of the source stating Common is playing Daniel Dyson (Miles Dyson's son), especially against a statement by BBC News Online. This hip hop fansite is powered by vBulletin. Alientraveller (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, Erik sorted it. Alientraveller (talk) 22:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Canon to other films, and Sarah Connor?

Okay, we know that Judgement Day has happened and been unavoidable all this time, and John is struggling to save humanity in the aftermath against Skynet. This new trilogy is about the war of the future and how everybody got where they are. What does this mean for Sarah Connor? Terminator 3 had her die of leukemia, and this possible fate is hinted at in the Sarah Connor Chronicles. The creators of the show were the writers of T3 and are working on this new movie, and they have stated T3 was a possible timeline for humanity in the war against Skynet. Where does the TV show fit into all of this? It has been renewed for another season, and they want to tie it together, don't they? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.155.74 (talk) 23:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The movie is set in 2019, and Sarah's dead by then. It's not our place to speculate, and readers can make their own mind by reading the premise, which details McG noting how the film will stand alone without too much continuity. Alientraveller (talk) 09:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Not to get too technical and obsessive, but I read that it was actually 2018 that it's set in. ONEder Boy (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I wrote that before the official synopsis arrived. Alientraveller (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but due to the many errors and changes Terminator 3 did to the first two films, T3 might be taken out of canon. McG has said the film will stand on its own, and that it is the original war that jump started the events of The Terminator. Since T3 had Sarah die of leukemia, that does not mean that they will keep T3 in continuity. The only aspect of T3 that remains is that the Judgement Day war could not be prevented. Besides, the producers and writers of T2 and T3 are involved in this film and the TV series, so they may very well link the two together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.192.229 (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Haggis?

The name of the guy appears in the "Written by" section of the article. How's that? I haven't read anything about him working on T4. There's nothing about it in the guy's IMDB page either. So, bogus or not bogus? 132.213.241.26 (talk) 11:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[2]. He polished it. Alientraveller (talk) 16:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)