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[edit] Tera Wray was born on April 14th 1982!

The Adult Film Database confirms this information as well as other sites on the net.

It states it, but that can hardly be called "confirmation".
What other sites? Are they reliable sources? Do they provide actual confirmation?

I think that no further dispute should be raised about this issue.

Well, that's your Point-Of-View, but I'd rather have some hard verifiable evidence, thank you.

besides what is the purpose of citing a partial birthdate ? Cowmadness (talk • contribs) 02:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

There are at least half-a-dozen answers to that question. Perhaps you'd like to ask a more specific question? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Well the point is , that you're trusting this article from "qlimax.com" which says that she is born on april 14th Now I'm wondering , why you're considering this information from this particular site as valid while rejecting the info from afdb ?! and btw , what is qlimax.com ? I've never heard of it before.

Against common belief , the afdb entries and pages can't be edited by anybody as some have said here. they are tightly regulated and all user submissions only get posted after they get approved and confirmed by the site runners. so the conclusion is that afdb is more credible than this "qlimax.com". You think i'm wrong ? well i'm curious to see how ! Cowmadness (talk • contribs) 15:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm having trouble following you.
I thought the point is that you're wanting to rely on a statement from a web page that is of undetermined reliability?
However, you say Well the point is , that you're trusting this article from "qlimax.com".
It seems to me that those two points are unrelated, but perhaps I'm missing something?
(And in any case, it's not me that's trusting qlimax.com; it wasn't me who originally quoted that link.)
My point is: "you're wanting to rely on a statement from a web page that is of undetermined reliability."
I am not sure, (please correct me if I'm wrong), but I think your point is: "Why is qlimax.com any more reliable than than afdb?"
I'm afraid my answer to that question is of no use to you.
(In case you are wondering, my answer is: "I don't know. It may be. It may not be. I don't know." Consequently, my answer/response to your subsequent question/statement: Now I'm wondering , why you're considering this information from this particular site as valid while rejecting the info from afdb ?!, which is: "I'm not." is similarly of no use to you either.)
and btw , what is qlimax.com ? I've never heard of it before. I don't know. There are millions of websites I know nothing about and have never heard of. However, when Google points me at one that says something I find interesting and/or useful, I explore it's reliability.
as some have said here. Sorry? I'm not aware of anyone saying that here. I'm confused.
so the conclusion is that afdb is more credible than this "qlimax.com". Sorry? Given that you imply that you know nothing about qlimax.com, I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. Surely you'd have to know something about it, and compare that knowledge with your knowledge of afdb, before you could come to any comparitive conclusions about the two?
From my point-of-view, in this situation, any discussion of qlimax.com is somewhat irrelevant.
From my point-of-view, the issue is: "Is afdb a reliable source?"
You believe, and assert, that it is.
However, there are other people (not me) who believe that "IAFD, AFDB, IMDB etc. aren't reliable sources", and they are the people who are doing the reversions. (Not me.) If you want to stop the reversions, is them you need to convice. (Not me.)
By-the-way: "Please ... remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~)." Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay , let me clarify something first.
by asking: why you trust this site more than the other one , i didn't mean you in particular it was meant in plural (if you know what i mean)
Yes, strangely, I know exactly what you mean! Sorry for my mis-understanding.
anyways , As i said before this qlimax.com is pretty unheard to me , and I personally judge reliability as a relative thing. in other words , i measure which of 2 sources is more credible than the other , in theory you can never determine the reliability of a source unless you have a counterpart to compare against , that's how i view things at least.
Agreed - that's sort of what I was trying to say.
so to get back to the pratical , when you hear something from somebody you know like the afdb for example which contradicts something said by a total no-heard , the question would be , whom to trust?
Also agreed.
btw , just to narrow this particular case down qlimax actually doesn't contradict afdb , it's just that afdb also cites the year where the first doesn't .
Agreed, again.
Speaking , about convincing those ppl who are actually kinda "responsible" here , who think that imdb and co are "un-reliable" sources.
well from my point of view , this is pretty weird , it's apparent that i'm new here and i don't know how business is being handled on wikipedia regarding who is credible and not .
You are not alone, and the phenomonum you describe is not restricted to new users! (And even in those personal cases where I do know, I don't always agree.)
But i strongly disagree with that opinion about IAFD, AFDB, IMDB.
Yes, you've made that quite clear previously.
Finally , it seems to me that there is some sort of an "authorative doctrine" about who has the last word ...etc
Yes and no - Yes there is "doctrine", but I'd dispute that it's "authorative". The way I understand it, things on WP are decided "by consensus". However, my take on the situation is that things are decided "by consensus of those still hanging around at the end of the discussion" and they tend to be a combination of the most patient and/or the most stubborn.
I'm not interested in "convincing" those whom you referred to as "they".
I understand. It would seem that, like me, you are neither patient enough, nor stubborn enough.
if those "they" say that imdb for example is bad just because they say so well then let it be that way
It's not quite as black & white as that; it's not just "because they say so", it's because there are more people that are prepared to uphold that opinion than there are people who are prepared to oppose that opinion. (And my take is that both of those groups are minorities; the vast majority are those in between who may or may not have an opinion, but they don't hold their opinion strongly enough to be prepared to expend the time and effort to uphold that opinion.)
As i said i don't care to convince , i said what i wanted to say .....It's not my profile after all LOL
Thanks--Cowmadness (talk) 13:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I understand. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)