Talk:Tequila stuntman

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[edit] To Delete or Not to Delete?

I do not believe this should be deleted. It is a well-known shot and I personally am here because I wanted to read about it on wikipedia.--12.147.61.3 17:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)Ryanp

Actually, I was going to propose it as a speedy deletion as vandalism - this is a tired and pointless joke that is best banished. I have removed the link from the Tequila page, which was equally as unfunny. - Corporal Tunnel 15:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

That's fine with me! I'll tag it. -- Merope 15:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I happen to have done a tequila stuntman last night, and the salt grains embedded in my nose would argue that it is certainly no joke! In fact, I am glad that it shows up on Wikipedia (and many other sites... try googling it) so that my friends don't think I am crazy.129.105.205.142 15:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I created this page and am confused to exactly why it should be removed. I can provide links to videos on YouTube, other websites discussing the shot, etc. If you could explain precisely why this page should be removed that would help me out a lot. Armitage Shanks 15:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The link on the prod tag (Wikipedia is not a indiscriminate collection of information) should provide some information. Essentially, WP is not a place to house FAQs, how-to guides, or recipes. I make an excellent drink with vodka, pineapple juice, and grenadine, but I don't create a WP article for it. -- Merope 15:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a joke drinking activity, made up by a single celebrity with a wide reputation for doing foolish and dangerous things, and occasionally - I stress occasionally - practiced, insofar as it is practiced at all, by a small number of people who should know better. Quite apart from the medical danger of placing acid in the eyes and salt on nasal tissue, it is certainly nasty at best. If there is any place that this belongs on Wikipedia it would be as a brief note in the pages for Jackass.

I'm put in mind of that mpg clip of the guy trying to ride his pickup truck from the outside, who predictably loses control and smashes into a tree. Dumb? Yes. Verifiable? Yes. From Jackass? Yes. Appropriate for a Wikipedia page? No. I also believe this falls far enough into hoax/joke territory to qualify as vandalism for deletion purposes. - Corporal Tunnel 15:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

This was not a stunt from Jackass and thus doesn't belong on the Jackass page. Medical danger? Should we remove Russian roulette or Seppuku because they discuss topics which are dangerous? As I note below, I can't imagine how this is as cut and dry as you're trying to make it out to be. Armitage Shanks 15:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes but there are WP entries for other shots. See for example Cocksucking Cowboy, Surfer on Acid, or Carrot Cake (cocktail). How is this article different? Armitage Shanks 15:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I've prodded all of those articles, so now there is no difference. The only one that might warrant an entry is the CS Cowboy, since it is sold in kits in Australia. -- Merope 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Two questions. 1) Does that mean every link from Mixed drink shooters and drink shots will be removed or ought to be? and 2) Since how tequila shots are taken is described on the Tequila entry, is this variation suitable for that page or will it be deleted from there too? Armitage Shanks 15:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Where do you draw the line? If there is a list of shots/shooters on the List of cocktails page, shouldn't WP be the place where each of these is defined and/or described in detail? Why should Carbomb (cocktail) have a page? Or Boilermaker (cocktail)? I can't imagine it is as easy as you're making it seem for where a line should be drawn. Armitage Shanks 15:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Furthermore, can you order your drink at a bar? I can ask for a Tequila stuntman at a bar and they know what to bring me. Armitage Shanks 15:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't go to bars. -- Merope 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I do go to bars, and I know a lot of people who work in the trade. They bring you exactly what they would bring you for a normal shot of tequila, and what you do with it is your business. - Corporal Tunnel 15:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I am a new user of Wikipedia, and I am interested in the discussion process and the mechanism for validating the information on the site. This page seems to be an interesting example of a conflict occuring between a "newpage patroller" and a user who has made a good faith attempt at creating a usable reference on a valid (albeit somewhat comical) topic. Furthermore, linking to "tequila stuntman" from "tequila" seems to be a useful link to make accessing relevant information possible. The immediate dismissal of this topic as a hoax worries me — is it really this easy for a member of the Wikipedia "police" to block an attempt at adding content to the site? If so, is there a system in place for reporting or commenting on the behavior of volunteers that patrol the site? Thanks in advance for your help. — Bohmus Cruncher 18:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed Removal

Wow. The discussion above echoes the thoughts that were passing through my mind (both pro and con) as I was reading the article. I come from a slightly different position than others contributing to this discussion. I have (almost singlehandedly) been working my way through every cocktail, shot, beer mix, wine mix, and other mixed drink on Wikipedia to cleanup and organize them. You can find out more about this at WikiProject Cocktails/Cleanup. In light of my experience reviewing and editing articles, here are my thoughts:

  • This article does not have the proper encyclopedic tone. It reads like a prank or joke (worse than Prarie fire, which I just cleaned up a bit.
  • This article is mostly a how-to to make the drink, which is against policies here.
  • There is obviously some notability in this drink due to the pop culture references of the Jackass movie, so that is good, but it is lacking citations and references, which is bad.
  • The fact that the concept of this drink being dangerous or downright stupid is not an acceptable reason for deletion. Wikipedia is not censored, and many stupid and dangerous things are listed.
  • This article is not vandalism, and that is not an acceptable reason for deleting the article. If someone feels that the article must go, then a proper Articles For Deletion process should be undertaken. My guess is that no consensus will be reached, and the article will remain anyway.
  • Armitage Shanks on 15:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC) made some very good points. Addressing those points:
  • 1) No. Not every drink would or should be deleted from Mixed drink shooters and drink shots (which is the new name for the old list of shooters article). Honestly, the only other person interested in discussing that page with me felt the entire page was hopeless. I have a less bleak view, but I certainly feel that it is in serious need of major cleanup. I feel that a long list of drink names of unknown origin, unknown ingredients, unknown anything is completely pointless in an encyclopedia.
  • 2) I think that the Tequila article, as suggested, is probably one of the best places that this article could go. Sure, a brief reference in the Mixed drink shooters and drink shots (at least directing people to Tequila), would probably be good, too.

In summary, I just don't think that this topic is worthy of remaining a stand-alone article. That does not mean it couldn't be made into a good article. It just isn't there now, nor do I see it coming up to that level very soon unless someone dives in and makes a sincere effort to improve the article. For that reason, I have tagged the article as a micro-stub. It's obviously a bit better than that, but the bright pink warning might attract the attention of someone willing to improve the article. Otherwise, I plan to eventually integrate it into the Tequila article prior to March 1, or into some other better place if I find one.

How does that sound to everyone? Do we have consensus yet? --Willscrlt 14:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Tequila Stuntman

I would be interested to hear of the dates when this drink apparently originated. Jackass being a fairly modern program might have seen this before showing on TV. I was in San Diego in November 1997, it was the USMC birthday, i was with the British Forces then and we introduced it to a barful of USMC soldiers as the Airborne Tequila, something which had been knocking around for some time in the UK armed services. 82.109.66.146 14:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)