Talk:Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo

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Yeah, this guy is really corrupt. His drained all the countries resources though a US bank Riggs Bank. The Coup d'état allegation may however be true since Mark Thatcher confessed of being aware of the coup. One odd thing is some the guy is sick of the same disease that killed another leech, Mobutu Sese Seko. I also noticed that Margaret Thatcher knew another crook Augusto Pinochet. What a pathetic group

I noticed nothing is mentionned about this in the article itself. I don't know the full details about these stories (Mark Thatcher and Riggs Bank), but if someone does it would be appropriate. P-O

Equatorial Guinea is perhaps the only country in the world to have all of its presidents to date declared God.

A bit sarcastic for an encyclopedia entry, isn't it?

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[edit] Richest man?

According to [1], Obiang is sub-saharan africa's richest man. Is there any other source that confirms or contradicts this? Ud terrorist 15:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I think we need a better source than your (extremelty interesting) article, I consider it highly unlikely as the total GDP of the country doesn't seem high enough, and, like everywhere, Africa doesn't lack for rich people

[edit] Mass Murder

This classification has been removed from the profile and I'm curious to know why? He, indeed, has contributed to major genocide in his country over the past 40 years. It began as a political/ethnic cleansing, started by his predecessor, that evolved into just political cleansing. Nonetheless, he contributed majorly to the demise of more than half of the Bubi population, and many Fang villages/clans. Relir 13:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Head of the infamous Black Beach prison

This was removed. Who ever put it there initially, please provide citation.

[edit] Graduate of Alma College in Michigan, USA?

Can someone verify whether Obiang Nguema is actually a graduate of Alma College? I have read quite a bit about him, and Wikipedia is the only place that has ever mentioned this item of information. My understanding is that all his education was in Equatorial Guinea and Spain, and that he understands quite a bit of English but does not speak it publicly.

These two items suggest that it's actually Nguema's son Gabriel who attended college in the USA:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/01/12_400.html

http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/2097/

Marzolian 02:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted these educational references from the article. Marzolian 08:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Somebody added them back. Why? Marzolian 05:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About where he attended college!

Teodoro Obiang never attended college in the USA. He did get his military training in Spain and some sort of education over there as well. His first persuit of higher education was completed through the UNED (Universidad Nacional de Educacion a Distancia) in law( He was given teh certification). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.247.196.80 (talk) 22:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Condi with "a good friend"

The words "You are a good friend" are exactly what are recorded in the State Dept's notes[1] for that day, and are unambiguously attributed to the Secretary of State. Please do not do Wikipedia's able and alert readers (who are perfectly capable of making their own determination as to whether she meant America's friend, her own personal friend, or both, thank you) a disservice by excising this most interesting, notable of assertions from its deserved, prominent place of exposure in the article. Whiskey Pete 00:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Great! genocide against the Bubi has been removed. What is this ? Is this the policy of Wikipedia ? Showing respect for any living people also means to deny one of the worst crime of the humanity ? That s a shame. What f....ing source ? Anybody knows about the cleansing of Bubis, there is no secret at all. It has been donde for years. Yes, this is not Amnesty, Wikipedia doesn t rate human rights, but a matter of fact is a matter of fact, you cannot remove that. It is a fact.: the Bubis genocide. Very very well known by anybody. I strongly suggest you to put it again and for the source, just open any huamn right site , Amnesty, HR Watch or the african news of the past 10 years and you will find references anywhere.

[edit] Uncle & nephew

This article states that Francisco Macías Nguema was not Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo's uncle, and that any statement to the contrary is but a common misconception. I'm well prepared to believe that, but the sources linked to in that regard actually say no such thing (unless I've misread). Most news articles say he was (although that doesn't necessarily mean much), and this site is specific to the point of saying that he's his uncle on his mother's side. If we're going to say they're not actually related, we really do need to provide a source. Aridd (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree- the two sites linked (CIA and State Dept) that supposedly have recognized that fact say absolutely nothing about it. Unless someone can find a good citation for this information, I think we should remove it from the article- the tone almost makes it sound like original research or opinion, neither of which belong in the article. Rjhatl (talk) 12:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
A quick look through "Small is Not Always Beautiful" by Max Liniger-Goumaz shows several familial mentions of the two as nephews or cousins (overview, 63). There is a vague mention of Fang "familyhood" on p.12 that might open the door to the idea that the two weren't directly blood relatives but were more loosely related through their ethnic group. Still, I haven't been able to find anything yet that can directly say one way or another that they're related or not. I'm going to remove the section in question from the article until something definite can be found. Rjhatl (talk) 12:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)