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Contents 1 Macro 2 I.R. : Deletion of Image:Growing Up In : The N.Y.C.jpg? 3 Thank You! 4 Thanks 5 Better Get to Livin' 6 Where I Belong 7 Karen Brooks 8 Mabbit IRC 9 Your post to SirFozzie 10 Frank everes 11 Some Things Never Change (disambiguation) 12 We should probably talk about this 13 Charts 14 Why - Allegations of Israeli Apartheid? 15 I disagree 16 IMAGES 17 Favor? 18 One Flew South 19 Thank you 20 AfDs 21 Gaza beach blast (2006) 22 Thank You 23 Anahim hotspot 24 Kim Richey 25 Please comment 26 Hand salsa. 27 Chris Young 28 RFA 29 One Flew South 30 Thanks 31 You Can Move It To The Reference Desk 32 Help request 33 Hel-LO, what about "put the tag back"? 34 Okay... 35 Michael Mullady

[edit] Macro

I assume you didn't appreciate my copying your whole id, so you editted much of it out. Still, leaving the commas in... that's just silly. :-D - Denimadept (talk)

[edit] I.R. : Deletion of Image:Growing Up In : The N.Y.C.jpg?

I would like ti adress of the person/administrator whom added the template of deletion for Image:Growing Up In : The N.Y.C.]]. The image is copyrighted by my record label Atomix Productions and is held copyrighted laws by me I.R.. I will remove the template and it shall not be added, its a stricit violation to our policy:

paragraph 7: any information added about our musicians shall stay, may be edited by shall not be deleted as code 412367 states "Editing shalt not be done unless the musician decided to do so."

if this template is shown again in Image:Growing Up In : The N.Y.C.jpg Image:Puakenisweet.jpg your account will be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan910 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Thank You!

Thank you for telling me about the reference desk.

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for fixing the HTML on the Katara article!

[edit] Better Get to Livin'

Would you be interested in giving your two cents based on the discussion Kaldari and I have had on that article's AFD? Spell4yr (talk) 17:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I use your viewpoints typically as my country music barometer, so if the article's good enough for you, while it's still not good enough for me I'm rescinding my vote. Spell4yr (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where I Belong

You could certainly change the article to one about the album as long as it's notability itself. How the disambiguation is handled would depend entirely on how popular both are. A decision would have to be made on what is the most likely intention of a search for that term, the beach boys song or the country album. --neon white talk 21:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Karen Brooks

I have never asked you about anything, but I have seen you contribute to many Country singers' articles and their singles charts. Do you know if could add the rest of 80s Country singer, Karen Brooks' singles. I only have one, "Fakin' Love", but I am curious if you know her chart postions and could add them. I just created her article today. It would be a great benefit to her article. Thanks for your time. Dottiewest1fan (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok great, I'll aske one of them. Dottiewest1fan (talk) 15:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mabbit IRC

Hello. I know you usually go to mabbit IRC. I can't seem to go there. There's a new formstting on the main page which just makes in confusing. Do you think you can show me how to enter IRC through Mabbit? --RyRy5 (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Then I guess you don't use it. Well, can you try to figure the fomatting out anyway? Mibbit is located here.--RyRy5 (talk) 02:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your post to SirFozzie

If any question remains, I'll be glad to forward you my complete correspondence with Dzonatas as verification that he has harassed me and that my behavior toward him has been completely appropriate. Durova^Charge! 09:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frank everes

Doh, didn't notice that the article had been hijacked there. As a stub I would have easily voted keep at the AFD. Guess that'll teach me not to check the history next time! Benon (talk) 21:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some Things Never Change (disambiguation)

Some Things Never Change (disambiguation) got zapped. I added the appropriate hat-notes to Some Things Never Change and Greatest Hits (Sara Evans album), as well as adding comments to Talk:Greatest Hits (Sara Evans album) and the talk for the redirect Some Things Never Change (Sara Evans song). I also fixed up the redirect Some Things Never Change (song). As soon as someone decides that Sara Evans's song was notable since it ranked 26th, there will need to be some movement. Some Things Never Change (song) will probably have to be moved to Some Things Never Change (Supertramp song) and Some Things Never Change (song) repointed to Some Things Never Change (Sara Evans song). Of course, if anyone writes a best-selling book with that name, the (disambiguation) page will be back. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] We should probably talk about this

Because it could, potentially, result in the deletion of literally dozens of articles I've worked on. Has there been some sort of movement to strip charting albums from the kinds of things we look for in determining notability? That worries me terribly, because charting an album is no mean feat, even on the satellite genre-specific charts, and is really an ironclad indicator of a group's widespread popularity. What do you think about this? I'd like to have an honest talk about it before it turns into an AfD battle. I'm so sick of fighting with people over notability issues here. Chubbles (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The album charts are keyed to a reliable source and are consistent with WP:V. Album and single charts are published by the same people, so I don't see why they ought to be treated differently.

If you'll forgive me for philosophizing a bit on your talk page, what depresses me here is that the fact that the albums charted is a clear indication that a lot of people care about this music, that it has a legitimate claim to permanence, and yet I still can't find a soul who agrees with me that it should be here. (For what it's worth, I wish you cared as much about underground hip-hop as you do about country and Americana, because then we'd have a ton more decent articles about it.) We have moved far beyond scuttling the bar bands and self-promotional garbage that used to be (and, of course, still are, in part) the main targets of AfD and A7, and are pinging off, at an alarming rate, groups which achieved significant, even if brief, levels of exposure. (And the briefness, of course, isn't an argument against permanence; any one-hit wonder ought to be covered here just as much as a regular hitmaker...right?) I've written a ton of articles on bands simply because they charted, and I don't write articles I don't think aren't going to be here in 50 years. If the wind is blowing the other way, I want to know as soon as possible so I stop wasting my time.

I don't know. I just wish my interactions with people here consisted of more than just angry disputes over the inherent worth of popular music. Chubbles (talk) 20:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charts

Since you voted in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hot100Brasil, can you give your opinion about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United World Chart? Tosqueira (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why - Allegations of Israeli Apartheid?

I know I'm doing it wrong, but I'm asking another user to help me. I had trouble using the right pages as the article was nominated before (which an overwhelming delete support). I don't understand why wikipedia is hosting a propaganda piece that is FAR from neutral. No one has made an attempt to clean it up (it's kinda hard to considering the source material) which is why I feel it is a strong candidate for deletion. Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)thanks for any help!

The sources are FAR from reliable, as demonstrated by the overwhelming support for its deletion. It draws from highly biased sources (like Uri Avnery) throughout the article. It's politically motivated and not right for wikipedia. You wouldn't find this in any Encyclopedia. Now, if you can find some people who are willing to correct the article, then fine. But until then, it needs to go.

Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I disagree

I disagree. The article has been around for more than a year, has gone through several nomination proceeses, and yet still fails to deliver the political balance (a.k.a neutrality) necessary to be hosted on wikipedia. I've tried taking a stab at editing, but the source material is just too hard to work with. It would take a total re-write to fix. The last deletion process had an overwhelming majority for DELETE, yet it still remains. I'm not familiar with the process but I'm sure there was a good reason why it stayed...but that was in 2007. Anyways, I, and many others would like to see the article gone. Propaganda is not something that should be on wikipedia. I hope that you agree. thanks for the fast response! Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been editing for more than 6 months (fixing typos, helping stubs, etc..). It's only recently that I've registered a name. I'm honestly shocked that this article is being allocated bandwith. It's insulting. Propaganda should never be part of an encyclopedia like wikipedia. You would never find that article in britannica. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I've done that. This all boils down to keeping a propaganda piece, or deleting it. Yes there is potential to clean, but so far no one has made an attempt. And I can't do because I'm not neutral. And I know the original authors weren't either. This article was started with bias and has ended in bias. I can't think of any reasons why it should stay other than the possibility of cleaning it, which isn't going to happen any time soon. So, if you can find someone who is willing to clean it, please let me know. For now I will continue my search to get rid of this article. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IMAGES

Ten, I'm assuming you answered the private e-mail on my user talk because you want members to discuss the issue as the Democratic principles of Wikipedia encourage. When other images were uploaded, not to the article, they were deleted within 5 minutes so no other users could offer an opinion. I know your opinion, but I have not seen anyone else weigh in except the WikipediA Administrator who posted the images already in the Article with the tag he deemed appropriate. He has been away for a while now, and not knowing how to post thumbnails myself, they won't be until the members decide by discussion.

Private e-mail: "After the deep shit I got in uploading those last images, I don't want to do that again. I'm attaching two images I would like you to examine closely. I believe they can be posted to the article with this tag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Non-free_historic_image. If you agree, you would make me so happy to check the article and see them posted as thumbs in a spot you think best. Please!"

Since Wikipedia users cannot see the scans for the discussion, I trust they are astute enough, in reading the article to decide whether the images related to references 5, 6 & 8 should be seen to add understanding and perspective to the reader. By going to history a user can see for themselves the images and tag removed by the image removal bot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Favor?

I know this isn't a REALLY good thing.. but I am just shy.. mind replying to something again?.. thanks :). --BigOz22 (talk) 18:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One Flew South

Looks much better. When it comes to bands on CSD, my policy is, if it has any links at all beyond their own homepage and a myspace, then I won't touch it. The old version didn't even have that much. --Golbez (talk) 19:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for helping me with my issue. I have left notices for all parties to please edit in good faith. However, after watching some of the famous Skeptics (From the Skeptical Inquirer) at the university I use to attend, I do not think they are capable of editing in good faith.

Thank you

Magnum Serpentine

Magnum Serpentine (talk) 20:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfDs

Hello Bobby! How are you? I think you are doing a very good job on AfDs. Keep up the good work. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Bobby, can I nominate you for adminship after few months? I think you deserve to be an admin. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should wait until September. I will support your RfA. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gaza beach blast (2006)

Hi Hammer,

You may not have noticed it, but the edit you just reverted is being discussed on the talk page of the article itself. The sourced info I supposedly removed is present further in the text. As the Israeli-Palestinian articles are subject to Wikipedia:General sanctions, I would ask that you self-revert to avoid anything that looks like an edit-war.

After having a look at your edit history, I am somewhat curious as to how you happened on the Gaza beach blast (2006) article... Could you care to enlighten me?

Cheers and thanks, pedrito - talk - 10.06.2008 15:13

Hi Hammer,

Uhm, no, the sources are the same as those in the article and as stated in talk, the assertions made in the lead are not supported by the sources. The way to go here is discussion -- which was underway -- and not revert-warring.

May I ask who on IRC gave you a tip to the article?

Cheers and thanks, pedrito - talk - 10.06.2008 15:25

Hello again, Hammer,

Well, the discussion will continue on the talk page there. You may be interested to know that I have reported User:Jaakobou for soliciting uninvolved editors to score reverts for him on delicate articles.

Cheers and thanks for your frankness and honesty, pedrito - talk - 11.06.2008 06:38

Hi Hammer,

Just one last quick question: as per the discussion on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Jaakobou soliciting random editors off-wiki, most notably User:Gatoclass' comments regarding WP:CANVAS, could you comment on how User:Jaakobou approached you? A clarification on your behalf would definitely help close this case.

Cheers and many thanks, pedrito - talk - 12.06.2008 11:03

[edit] Thank You

Thanks for helping this (relative) newbie with the AfD. I appreciate it! EBY3221 16:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Thanks, part 2. And part 3. For good advice, on both fronts. EBY (talk) 17:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anahim hotspot

This article has been left untouched for a while now. Could you please review it? Thanks. ~Meldshal42 17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Instead of tagging it, why don't you review it first? ~Meldshal42 17:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind then if I asked another user to review it? ~Meldshal42 17:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kim Richey

Are the entries in the Kim Richey songwriting list all notable? I don't believe some of them were singles or charted. --MyGrassIsBlue (talk) 08:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please comment

Please comment at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Jaakobou soliciting random editors off-wiki, as the discussion in part involves your activity. GRBerry 13:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hand salsa.

I've commented here; don't know if you plan to be part of the discussion or just templated and left it to others to decide the fate of the article (no shame in the latter, it's what I plan to do myself ;) ). Cheers, · AndonicO ^Engage. 18:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree there are no reliable sources on the subject, but I do not agree with deleting the article. · AndonicO ^Engage. 01:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Because, while there are no reliable sources, none are really needed. It is a term that is used in gaming and computing, albeit not as often as "leet" words. (At the very least, as I mentioned on the AFD, it should redirect to wiktionary.) · AndonicO ^Engage. 01:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps. · AndonicO ^Engage. 01:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Young

No cites in the article but his own website; all the rest could be nonsense, for all I know. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC) (hasn't liked a lot of so-called "country" since Mother Maybelle passed away)

[edit] RFA

Interested? Email me. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One Flew South

TPH,

Thanks for posting this article on OFS, with references. It looks great. I am a friend of the family and I look forward to watching this grow over the years. About Decca, I know they were signed on the spot in New York when they showcased for Sony and the label is Decca Records. For accuracy sake can we change the signing year 2007 for that is it.

Thanks Again,

Dsn7352 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.230.188 (talk) 22:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

TPH,

You Rock :).

I'll start studying the wiki info.

Thanks,

Dsn7352 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.230.188 (talk) 22:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You Can Move It To The Reference Desk

Por favor, move my question about the WWE to the reference desk. Ericthebrainiac (talk) 00:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help request

Thanks, but before I get to my question, let me discuss your reply. You wrote in part, "When you've asked your question, please put the tag back so we know to check back. [. . . .] Please quit using the {{helpme}} template unless you actually have a question". Expert Wikipedians tend to reference technical procedures without adequate explanation and state advice in an abrupt and callous manner. Thank you for providing a *nonchat* link for me to contact you by -- the previous volunteer (just one to two hours ago) did not even do that. Many Internet users access the Internet over networks that forbid chatting. Next, your (and the other person's) instructions are unintelligible to me. Both of you instructed "put the tag back" -- I'm not sure what that means. YOU have added an instruction "quit using ..." instruction which presumes I am impatient or unserious. I replied to the previous help responder at his own email (not explicitly displayed, but rather embedded in his message), and he didn't respond.

NOW here's my help request. How can a Wikipedian be discouraged from editing an article (a BLP) while they refuse to discuss editing disagreements? How can a Wikipedian be discouraged from persisting in representing unsourced statements as being sourced? I am trying to delete from the article both the assertion of a falsehood (because it's a falsehood!) and the assertion that some particular person holds that belief (because in fact no source has been cited that confirms that BLP's subject holds that belief).

In the last 24 hours, I have gotten into an edit war with one other Wikipedian over a BLP. I object to a article text that is nonfactual AND unsourced. I insist on deleting it, and my adversary insists on inserting it. My adversary insists on *inserting unsourced material*, plus she *refuses to debate me* at the article's Talk page. My adversary erroneously claims that what she is inserting is the biography subject, Chesler's, own understanding of events that Chesler experienced. My adversary has acknowledged just a few of the points I have raised. I have presented reasons on the Talk page, referenced the Talk page in my edit summaries, and responded promptly to the points she has raised. She early on quit acknowledging, let alone responding, to my arguments.

Please note that the controversial claim is being attributed to the subject of the biographical entry, but by checking the cited source, I determined that the source does not substantiate this. The material I am deleting is a *misinterpretation* of the subject's statements by one or more Wikipedians. My adversary (Quizzical Bee) refuses to acknowledge that this material she insistently inserts is a misinterpretation.

Please also note that initially, I scolded the subject of the biography, Chesler, for making certain factual claims. I soon discovered that it was not Chesler who explicitly made these claims. I shared this discovery at the Talk page. (One can still scold Chesler for recounting an episode of her life 45 years later in a way highly subject to the misinterpretation that occurred. In fact, Chesler does insinuates she holds the mistaken factual belief -- but she DOES NOT clearly so state.) Hurmata (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your two prompt replies in the last hour or so. Your advice was to resort to WP dispute resolution procedures. I did look them up and I have opted for Informal Mediation. Hurmata (talk) 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hel-LO, what about "put the tag back"?

Thanks for directing me to a party more suitable to my problem. But you didn't help me to be a savvier Wikipedian by responding to my request for an explanation of (boilerplate) instructions *you* gave me. What is "putting the tag back" and why is it a good thing to do? You responded to my help request with a constructive answer. Therefore, who needs to "check back" with me; and if I were to put the tag back, why wouldn't that mean I'm repeating my help request? Hurmata (talk) 01:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Okay...

I understand that I said it wrong the 1st time, but how is saying "See WP:DICK" a personal attack? 24.12.114.215 (talk) 02:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Mullady

Thank you for fixing the Michael Mullady article for deletion entry for me! IndulgentReader (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)