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The Status of Protest on Wikipedia

Wikipedia it seems does not delineate between freedom of expression and the right to protest and vandalism. Wikipedia is supposed to be a viable source of information. In my mind it must also be an "appropriate" source of information. But if we can't conduct peaceful, nonviolent protests on the texts of actual articles which people find disturbing (i.e. queef) what kind of message are we sending across to people who wish to protest but find themselves being blocked as a result of what editors consider "vandalism". I agree with the sentiments expressed by some that a template that has been termed as "nonsense" (Wiki-Protest) should be allowed in order for editors, WPs, and contributors to protest what they consider as harsh, racist, or inappropriate wikipedia articles in a manner outside of the normal spectrum for wikipedia. What do you all think about this? A friend of mine was blocked recently for participating in this kind of protest. -- Dominick_Turner —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dominick Turner (talk • contribs) 16:48, 21 February 2006

See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, in particular the section on What the Wikipedia community is not section for Wikipedia's official policy. It is not designed as a forum for free expression as "protest". Think of it as using your free expression to tell your boss that he's a fat slob. Your boss will turn around and tell you that he recognizes your rights of expression but you're fired. The Wikipedia community is the same way, except substitute "you're blocked" for "you're fired". Neil916 16:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Very good analogy. •Jim62sch• 16:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

If you find an article disturbing then don't read it. Wikipedia is not a place for censorship by repressed/ultra-conservative individuals. SynthesiseD 21:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

But are they really individuals or rules? Surely there can be various interpretations of applying rules, but then one finds out by experience. "Learn the rules well in order to break them". If one wants to complain about an ecological damage in Wikipedia, one goes by the rules to do it. The effective protest would be to include an acceptable encyclopedic article on actual facts. It is for rules kept that Wikipedia becomes a strong medium to present an article on some ecological damage, to link it to other appropriate articles, etc. If one thinks that an objectively stated fact about racism is being attacked as inappropriate, one can protect it by doing the things that the rules permit. Hoverfish 19:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

template to add

I'm not sure where to add {{Infoboxneeded}}. Can somebody give pointers? Circeus 06:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

At the top of the article talk page. --GunnarRene 07:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure where to add the {{coor}} Template:coor for geographical coordinates. Can somebody give pointers? Skierpage 03:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Guidelines?

Where are the guidelines for templates loacated? Cacophony 18:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

See WP:TS. WP:SFD, WP:TFD, an incomplete proposal WP:TG, and otherwise try to make sense out of Category:Wikipedia templates. See also below. Omniplex 08:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Template messages infobox

Started creating a small infobox for all template messages, it's located at Template:Template messages and looks like this:

General  
Article sources  
Links  
Sister projects  
Deletion  
Disputes and warnings  
Maintenance  
Cleanup  
Lists  
Redirect pages  
Talk namespace  
Image namespace  

→AzaToth 10:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, removed this template from the project page, it's incompatible with my browser (Firefox on Linux) and creates a usability disaster. --Francis Schonken 16:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Template to encapsulate HTML markup

I just created {{breakafterimages}} to expand to the HTML <br style="clear:both;" /> in order to get a break effect that includes images. What category does that sort of template belong in? - Bevo 00:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Not sure, but I did the same thing with {{CleanBr}} the other day. --James S. 07:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
See Template:- (edit talk links history) or Template:Clear (edit talk links history) but please don't touch them - they are the result of long discussions and used on hundreds of pages. Omniplex 08:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The edit links in table edit the wrong sections?!

Clicking any [edit] link in the table edits the next section of the table. E.g. the General edit link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Template_messages&action=edit&section=1 brings up [[/Sources of articles|Article sources]]</center>=== <!-- Table #2 -->, i.e. the next table section. I tried in both Firefox and Internet Explorer. Weird. Skierpage 02:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This is true in both FF 1.5.0.1 and IE 7 Beta 2; the page is behaving rather strangely. Furthermore, some titles ("General" and "Cleanup") don't appear in IE. Any wikitable whizz know why this is? ENCEPHALON 17:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

NEW TEMPLATE... but where to put it?

New templates. I think we should include. But any sugestions where? see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikibreak or wikibreak --CyclePat 18:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Useful styles

Seeking input for this new pages, any help or suggestions appreciated. Circeus 15:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Tables

I really liked the table formatting that AzaToth removed. The template page is much more difficult for me to use now (since it requires either scrolling way down or clicking an extra time to get to the desired section, as the whole page is much longer vertically without the tables.) --Tifego 00:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

(as posted on AzaToth's talk page) Hmm, I liked it the way it was before. You specified in the summary edit that it should be conforming to whatever is at WP:KISS. (a red link as of 00:25 UTC, 17 March 2006). --Ted 00:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought the tables was too wide (didn't thought at the before, but when I checked at 800x600 the colums per cell was one word wide.) Also the editing of the page was rather cumbersome to edit. →AzaToth 00:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Looks fine to me at 800x600. (Although I don't see how anyone can stand using displays that tiny.) Since it bothers me as non-table, and at least one other person agrees, I'm changing it back for now (once). --Tifego 01:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Dynamic Images

Is there a way to implement dynamic images into Wikipedia, for user namespaces? Say there is a last.fm chart update, and a dynamic image is generated off of that. Can it be somehow implemented into the userpage? --модулятум 20:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

if-template

Is there already something like an if-template, or can/should I make one? I thought about something like {{{if|condition|then|else}}} (i.e., if <condition> is not empty, then <then> is inserted, otherwise <else>). What do you think about it? — Shir Khan (?-"-!) — 13:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Check out {{Qif}}. Its description is on its discussion page. –Tifego(t)08:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

"Inadequate"

I'm not sure where Template:Inadequate should be listed. Maurreen 07:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

TfD, maybe. That template is inadequate, in that it doesn't link to the talk page or state the problem in an appropriately informative and neutral way. Anyway, the real place it could go is Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup, but I don't know how long it will survive as it is. –Tifego(t)08:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Colour definitions

I've noticed that a large number of the pastel boxes in this listing ignore the common web design practice of defining a foreground colour (mostly black) whenever defining a background colour. Depending on the user's skin and/or overriding default browser settings, the default foreground colour may be a light one designed to be read on a dark background, common for people with visual impairments. Does anybody object to me going through them and adding color:black where necessary to the styles? I realise a lot of caches will be affected but it's a genuine needed improvement. BigBlueFish 08:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Graphic image tag?

Is there a tag that warns of an article having images that may be of a graphic or obscene nature?--BerserkerBen 04:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok I guess not so I made one, this one though is only specific to nudity:
-It warns viewers of the image(s) presences
-It warns them not to censor by editing
-It directs to wikipedia disclaimer

Template:Nudity warning --BerserkerBen 22:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree — such a template isn't saying that there should be no articles about a given subject, just that users should be warned beforehand. I would add that the same could be said of potentially inappropriate text (for younger readers), as well, as in The Aristocrats. That said, what happened to the template above which I'm currently seeing as a red link? --Lenoxus 14:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_11#Template:Nudity_warning —Mike 02:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Question

I was unsure of where to put this so I decided to put it here. I understand there is a template that can make the table of contents go to the right hand side of the article. Does anyone know how to hide the table of contents? It isn't for an article, just my user page. Normy 09:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

just put __NOTOC__ at the top of your page. CG 11:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Taxobox needed template

I have been looking for a template to request a taxobox, in this case for the sordes article. I have for the moment used the diagram request and specified that what was needed is a taxobox. Is there a way of requesting a taxobox, is there a template in this case?? --Francisco Valverde 17:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Question

Ok I know this may sound stupid but I have to ask how do you get a template to the left hand side of a page? I've tried "|left}} and "}}|left" but they don't seem to work, and I've tried other things such as "style="text-align:left"| -- results in --

My concern about article Proprioception

Hello, Recipient, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or argumentative, but I'm concerned about article Proprioception, which you have edited. Could we discuss that concern here?

It may be perceived as so poorly organized as to be misleading, there are several statements which are not entirely untrue but are written as if the author has no idea what he or she is talking about, and way too much time is spent on topics that are not particularly relevant to the article.

I'd appreciate learning your own views, understanding your reasons for your particular edits, and discussing what alternatives might avoid raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:

  • If you can relieve my concern through discussing it here, I can stop worrying about it.
  • If you prefer, we can discuss the matter at Talk:Proprioception, where other editors could contribute their viewpoints.
  • If we can't agree in either setting, we can ask for help through Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, such as asking for a "third opinion", or requesting comments from other Wikipedians. Admins usually abide by agreements reached through this process.
  • If you prefer not to deal with me at all, you can ask others for guidance: there are experienced Wikipedians who offer mentorship, "adoption", or advocacy; and many admins will also make the time to answer earnest questions on their talk pages (though some are either very busy or away on "Wikibreak").
  • Any time you feel overwhelmed by the complexity of it all, you can simply post {{helpme}} here on your talk page, with a description of your questions or problems, and someone will show up to help you find answers or solutions.

Let me reassure you that my writing here means I don't think your editing is so bad that you should just stop or be stopped. This is more a case where opinions might differ, and it would be good to reach some consensus -- either here, or at Talk:Proprioception, or at WP:RFC. So I look forward to a friendly discussion, and to enjoying your continued participation on Wikipedia. Thank you again! -- Ben 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

{end quote} Notice that the template automatically signs the note, unless you tell it not to (with the optional parameter sig=n). Similar or related templates are listed in that template's documentation. I hope these help! -- Ben 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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RFC-related templates and shortcuts:

Template lowercase rfc- prefix short rfc- prefix Parameters, (req)uired or (opt)ional
{{ArticleConcern}} {{articleconcern}} {{rfc-articleconcern}} {{artc}} {{rfc-arc}} article name (req), nature of concern (opt)
{{ArticleDiscussion}} {{articlediscussion}} {{rfc-articlediscussion}} {{artd}} {{rfc-ard}} article name (req)
{{ArticleResult}} {{articleresult}} {{rfc-articleresult}} {{artr}} {{rfc-arr}} article name (req), outcome of RFC (opt)
{{ConductConcern}} {{conductconcern}} {{rfc-conductconcern}} {{ucc}} {{rfc-ucc}} nature of concern (opt)
{{ConductDiscussion}} {{conductdiscussion}} {{rfc-conductdiscussion}} {{ucd}} {{rfc-ucd}} conduct issue (opt)
{{ConductNotice}} {{conductnotice}} {{rfc-conductnotice}} {{ucn}} {{rfc-ucn}} RFC/USER subject's name (req)
{{ConductResult}} {{conductresult}} {{rfc-conductresult}} {{ucres}} {{rfc-ucr}} outcome of RFC (opt)
{{UsernameConcern}} {{usernameconcern}} {{rfc-usernameconcern}} {{uncon}} {{rfc-unc}} nature of objection (opt)
{{UsernameDiscussion}} {{usernamediscussion}} {{rfc-usernamediscussion}} {{und}} {{rfc-und}} name issue in discussion (opt)
{{UsernameNotice}} {{usernamenotice}} {{rfc-usernamenotice}} {{un}} {{rfc-unn}} RFC/NAME subject's name (req)
{{UsernameAllowed}} {{usernameallowed}} {{rfc-usernameallowed}} {{una}} {{rfc-una}} archived RFC's "oldid=#" (opt)
{{UsernameBlocked}} {{usernameblocked}} {{rfc-usernameblocked}} {{unb}} {{rfc-unb}} reason for block (opt)

All of these templates need to be substituted: please use {{subst:template}}, not just {{template}}. All these templates (except {{UsernameBlocked}}) will automatically add your signature, unless you add the optional parameter sig=n.

copied text template

I remember once seeing a template to put on pages that copied most of its text from another source, does anyone know what that template was? Thanks. --Arctic Gnome 04:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violations? :) --Quiddity 07:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Try {{copypaste}} -- ReyBrujo 08:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Icon templates instead of large boxes at the top of pages

See this discussion here. Some icons have already been created; see my user page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HisSpaceResearch (talk • contribs) 11:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Is there any template for

Requesting a section to be summerized and the stuff would be moved into main articles? --Aminz 01:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

See various Splitting templates, halfway down this section: Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Merging and splitting. --Quiddity 02:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

New templates rfarb, rfcuser, rfcn, and listuser

As a timesaver for several frequently used types of links, I've created:

{{rfarb}}
  • links to WP:RFARB arbitration page on a topic or user, if it exists
  • enter topic, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. article/user of a talk page
  • enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
Example 1: {{rfarb|Waldorf education}} → WP:RFARB page on "Waldorf education"
Example 2: {{rfarb|Waldorf education|Steiner schools issue}} → Steiner schools issue (same link)
Example 3: {{rfarb|Jimbo Wales}} → There is no WP:RFARB page on "Jimbo Wales"
Example 4: {{rfarb}} → WP:RFARB page on "Example"
{{rfcuser}}
  • links to WP:RFC/USER page on a user's conduct, if it exists
  • enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
  • enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
  • enter RFC number, else defaults to highest (standard-format) RFC found, up to 20
Example 1: {{rfcuser|Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington}} → WP:RFC/USER page on "Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington" (links to latest RFC, #Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington)
Example 2: {{rfcuser|Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|Nick's RFC}} → Nick's RFC (same link)
Example 3: {{rfcuser|Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|number=1}} → WP:RFC/USER page on "Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington" (links to first RFC, unnumbered)
Example 4: {{rfcuser|Jimbo Wales}} → WP:RFC/USER page on "Jimbo Wales"
Example 5: {{rfcuser}} → There is no WP:RFC/USER page on "Example"
{{rfcn}}
  • links to WP:RFC/NAME section on a username, or the page top if no such section exists
  • enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
  • enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
  • enter archive (oldid) number, else defaults to current page
Example 1: {{rfcn|DeveloperDan}} → Current WP:RFC/NAME on "DeveloperDan" (closed topic)
Example 2: {{rfcn|DeveloperDan|oldid=111584225}} → Archived WP:RFC/NAME on "DeveloperDan"
Example 3: {{rfcn|DeveloperDan|here|oldid=111584225}} → here (same link)
Example 4: {{rfcn}} → Current WP:RFC/NAME on "Template messages"
{{listuser}}
  • links to Special:Listusers listing for a username (or next one if that one doesn't exist), confirming or disproving the account's existence (whether or not there's a user page or user talk page); listing also shows "(Administrator)" if account holds that status
  • enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
  • enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
  • enter number of entries to show as limit, else defaults to 1 (one)
Example 1: {{listuser|Essjay}} → Essjay
Example 2: {{listuser|Essjay|limit=12}} → 12-username list starting at: Essjay
Example 3: {{listuser|Essjay|a jury of peers?|limit=12}} → a jury of peers? (same link)
Example 4: {{listuser}} → Example

More documentation at each template. I hope these help! -- Ben 23:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

New template rfcu

{{rfcu}}
  • links to WP:RFCU (checkuser) page on a user, if it exists
  • enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
  • enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
Example 1: {{rfcu|American Brit}} → WP:RFCU page on "American Brit"
Example 2: {{rfcu|American Brit|Brit's RFCU}} → Brit's RFCU (same link)
Example 3: {{rfcu|Jimbo Wales}} → There is no WP:RFCU page on "Jimbo Wales"
Example 4: {{rfcu}} → WP:RFCU page on "Example"

Added at the request of Akhilleus. -- Ben 10:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

New template usercheck, addition suggested to user5

{{usercheck}}
  • Looks for same pages as {{userblock}}, plus three of the above new page-check templates (plus new ssp, see below)
Example: {{Usercheck|Monicasdude}} → Monicasdude (talk · contribs · count · logs · block log · lu · rfa · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · checkuser · socks)

Suggested {{rfcu}} be added to the end of {{user5}}, thus:

Example: {{User5|Jimbo Wales}} → Jimbo Wales (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log • rfcu)

Since {{User5}} is used extensively at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, it could be very helpful to have that link at the end finding any checkuser pages that exist for the users listed. -- Ben 04:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

New template ssp

{{ssp}}
  • links to WP:SSP (suspected sock puppet) page on a user, if it exists
  • enter username, else defaults to basepagename, e.g. username of a user page or user talk page
  • enter linklabel, else defaults to descriptive label
Example 1: {{ssp|Mykungfu}} → WP:SSP page on "Mykungfu"
Example 2: {{ssp|Mykungfu|Mykungfu's latest SSP}} → Mykungfu's latest SSP (same link)
Example 3: {{ssp|Jimbo Wales}} → There is no WP:SSP page on "Jimbo Wales"
Example 4: {{ssp}} → There is no WP:SSP page on "Example"

-- Ben 23:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA:TEMPLATE concept

WIKIPEDIA:TEMPLATE is redirecting to this project page.

Sugestion (add text) to explain concepts:

The wiki templates are powerful tools for editing Wikipedia articles. A "wiki template" is a kind of sub-template, and the "Wikipedia Edit Language" uses the notation {{template-name}} for the sub-template reference. Use [[Template:template-name]] on edit to produce a link to the template declaration (source code defining the template).

Technical note: "Wiki template references" are embedded on the "Wikipedia Edit Language", as a web template embedded language, using the open {{ and close }} hooks, for enclose the wiki template language syntax, where valid names and valid instructions can be used, like template reference, as {{disambig}}, and conditions, as {{#if:{{{variable_foo|}}} | foo yes |foo is blank }}. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krauss (talk • contribs) 07:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)