Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 October 1

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The result of the debate was speedy delete per CSD G7. IronGargoyle 23:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Campaignbox Admiralties (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

I created the template. One article now covers this military campaign in detail and there are unlikely to be separate articles on the "battles", which have now been made redirects to the campaign article. Grant | Talk 11:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy delete under G7. Carlosguitar 20:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Trödel 14:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Sq m (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

The template was nominated for nominated for deletion in July. The result was to delete it. The reasoning for the renomination is the same: it is redundant. {{ft2 to m2}} does everything {{sq m}} was being used for and more. I've replaced {{sq m}} with {{ft2 to m2}} in the three places it was used. The new template is working fine. The template's creator argues "this template is in use - and there is no substitute that does the same thing". {{ft2 to m2}} does everything {{sq m}} was being used for and more with two exceptions:

1) {{ft2 to m2}} uses the abbreviation ''sq ft'' whereas ''ft²'' had used in the three places {{sq m}} had appeared and

2) {{sq m}} had defaulted to rounding to the rearest whole number.

Note the following:

1) {{ft2 to m2}} could be adjusted to display ft² as an optional variant, however, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Unit symbols and abbreviations states

... squared US-unit abbreviations are rendered with sq, and cubic with cu (15 sq mi, 3 cu ft).

2) If rounding to the nearest whole number is desired then that can be entered as a parameter to {{ft2 to m2}}. However, the new version of {{ft2 to m2}} does better than just this: it matches the output precision with the input precision. Jɪmp 05:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I am fine with the change to sq ft over ft² - as it doesn't matter to me. I would like it to round to the nearest whole number and I do think that matching the input precision to the output precision is great but not as useful when it adds decimal portions to the number. I believe this could be accommodated with an option to eliminate decimals. However, none of these address the problem that occured, and for which I originally restored the template. It causes this page to break, and will do the same for this page which uses the same data, once its template is working correctly. Because the new template is still causing errors on some pages, I reverted the change to {{LDS Temple list}}. Additionally, I am working with Jimp to fix them - see discussion on our talk pages(Jimp & Trödel). Once all the issues are fixed I will delete the page. Until then I oppose deletion ;) (PS I don't see what is the problem with having a few ft2 to m2 templates to handle specific situations instead of cramming them all into one template with parameters - other than the programming beauty of it - i.e. that you figured out a way to have only one subroutine handle the issues and thus the code is more elegant--Trödel 19:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete again. I read the Jimp and Trödel talk pages and it looks like you guys are closer to agreeing. You can always try {{convert}} and see if that works better. —MJCdetroit 03:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment ... okay it did a third thing:

3) blow the pre-expand limit on pages that used it several times (specifically List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints mentioned by Trödel above)

However, I believe I've solved this problem (along with the problem of unwanted decimals). Though, I'm biting my tongue on deletion until we get the nod from Trödel. Jɪmp 02:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I think {{convert}}, at least in its current form, would give us the same problem without the advantage of matching the precision of the output to that of the input. Jɪmp 02:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks J|mp - everything looks good - I'm going to close this discussion --Trödel 14:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Mike Peel 19:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Hst (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

A date formatting template. From an article point of view i see no point for this template. It might be that for "categorising" historic events it might be useful, but i doubt wether we should do that in this way.. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

• I'm the creator of this template. The reason I made it is that I thought this template can help Japanese or non-English people input the date link more easily.--Izumi5 12:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, IronGargoyle 01:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete This interferes with the date auto-formating. Rocket000 06:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete given the date autoformatting problem, I'd be inclined to say delete — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 11:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per the above, and the comments of interference. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep. --Trödel 15:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:-! (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Do not see the usefulness of this template.. Balloonguy 14:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Transcluding a pipe character is useful in some template coding. -Amarkov moo! 17:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a workaround for a known problem. It's not a common problem, but indirect transclusion is the only way around it. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete above users seem to confuse this with {{!}} and {{!-}}. Those are definitely useful. However I tend to agree with nominator that this variant is somewhat duplicate to those 2. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, IronGargoyle 01:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep this is useful as text within the list parameters of {{navbox}} so editors can put something like [[Link to some article]]{{-!}}. The nbsp at the start of {{-!}} keeps the blank and the pipe with the text immediately preceding it, so the pipe isn't the first character on the next line when the template is fully rendered. Slambo (Speak) 11:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Slambo's useful explanation. This template will probably have some utility to someone. Gracenotes^T § 20:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, this template is extremely useful, a lot of the advanced templates we have today wouldn't be the way they are without this template or similar ones (e.g. {{!}}). ~ Sebi _[talk] 03:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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