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[edit] February 7, 2006
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The result of the debate was LEEP. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 09:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template:Welcome
I got one of these on my talk page; it didn't make me feel any more welcome -- just the opposite. I'd rather have gotten two personal words than this slab of stale bread. Editors who are new to wikis should visit some Help pages, yes; but a directory of those pages is available here. New users who clearly haven't bothered to orient themselves might need a little push, but that will be most effective if individual and appropriate to the case. Yes, it's a good idea to welcome new members of any community; but it's just nasty to fake it. Delete. John Reid 17:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
We're all different and nobody has to agree with me; but I'd like to address some comments. I think some people would prefer I did. If not, sorry.
Quite a few say it would be better if newcomers got a personal welcome; well, then, why not? If you're composing a personal welcome, why start with a template? Better to write out two or three actual words from the heart than this cold, impersonal bit of stiff fluff. I wouldn't feel any better getting a block of text you copied off your own Notepad, either.
A template is less genuine than a personal welcome. It says I'm too busy/careless/bored to write anything personal to you as an individual, but I want you to think I care, even though I don't. It carries with it the smell of something done to make the doer look good.
Some say this template contains links every new user should be given. Well, then, why not do that automatically? It would be easy enough to run a bot. This is a computer system; I expect to interact with the system itself and I'm not upset if it treats me impersonally. Run a bot to throw this on the talk page of every newly registered user and I'll withdraw my objection.
I don't expect admins -- or anyone else -- to welcome me to the community just because I signed up and made a few edits. I've done nothing of importance here and (as in any online forum) I may be gone tomorrow, never seen again. I don't expect anyone to waste time checking me out or making me feel at home -- not until I show some sign of real involvement. If and when I do, then I surely hope my welcome is more sincere than this scrap of junk mail. John Reid 21:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, this is a problem of usage (and possibly of the template's content, which is debated at its talk page). I always combine {{welcome}} with a personal message thanking the user for a specific edit. Especially since the {{helpme}} has been added I think it is a very good thing. Kusma (討論) 18:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. We need a way to inform the users of the standard way to work with wikipedia and still be friendly. The real problem is that there are very few people who welcome newbies. Dr Debug (Talk) 19:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - Just because there's a template for welcoming doesn't make the welcome any less genuine. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 20:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. Just after signing this template I received a request from a new user because of an edit conflict and those who place Welcome tags receive quite a number of Thank yous and questions, thus it provides a positive addition for a small group. A personalized welcome would be better the amount of newbies versus the amount of people welcoming them is such that a short cut is necessary. Dr Debug (Talk) 21:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. This is a very useful template, if for nothing else to use as a subst: starting point for people making their own personalized welcome templates. xaosflux Talk/CVU 01:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. If the template didn't exist I would simply copy and paste my own welcome into Notepad and use that, and I doubt I would be the only one. But not speedy, nominator has a valid point, even if no-one agrees with him, and there's no harm in letting this run its course. --Malthusian (talk) 11:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Non-speedy keep Its one of the most used templates on WP. If it werent for this template, some people may not bother welcoming new members at all because it wouldnt be as easy. Although its an automated message, people still have to bother to use it, so some thought does go into it. I didnt feel particuarly welcome when i got it, but its useful -
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• | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 15:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy keep obviously. Mikkerpikker ... 16:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep I find it quite useful. Do you really expect the admins to handwrite a note to every single new user? It contains importaint information in a well organized fasion. - Koweja 04:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep discuss wording on Talk page. Physchim62 (talk) 16:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- Leep - Seems like an obvious leeper to me. P.S.: Damn keyboard. --Cyde Weys 20:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. --Lukobe 06:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was unanimous delete. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 09:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template:Wikipedia
Was added to the top of pages like Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China. Given that virtually every possible use of this template would be in a context where the very next line makes it obvious that the article or section is about Wikipedia, it seems like a waste of article real estate and an insult to the reader's intelligence. What's next? "This article or section is about {{PAGENAME}}"? --Eloquence* 10:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not necessary. --Fang Aili 15:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Every wikipedia page has these links anyway not nesicary. --Seth Turner 16:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- support the "This article or section is about {{PAGENAME}}" template. No wait, delete. dab (ᛏ) 17:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as unnecessary. Maybe we need a policy on template creep. -- Dalbury(Talk) 19:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. --Khoikhoi 23:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Unnecessary - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 15:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Mikkerpikker ... 19:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Loopy e 01:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ¡Dustimagic! (T/C) 03:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was KEEP. Ding, ding. -Splashtalk 21:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template:User homeless
This seems offensive and making fun. 195.188.51.100 13:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- (corrected submission and moved to chronological order by -- nae'blis (talk) 16:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC))
- I never made it to laugh at people. If they're really homeless, and they put it on their userbox, it's one way to call for help.
- huh, why help? Why not just honesty like the rest of the userboxes, as a point of interest? --Prometheuspan 00:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- When a Wikipedian sees it, and asks about it, they could tell their life story as to why they're homeless, so the Wikipedian could possibly help them themselves and/or refer them to an organization that can help them as well. --Shultz 16:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- I have a question. If they're really homeless, how would they get their hands on a computer? --D-Day 17:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- hmm, dunno, probably by use of a public computer lab. lol. --Prometheuspan 00:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Public libraries? Net cafes? And that's just dealing with people who are actually on the streets, and not the many, many homeless who are based on someone's front room floor. Having been briefly homeless in London, I can tell you that 24 hour net cafes are a cheap and relatively safe place to spend the night, and totally Wikipedia-equipped. Vashti 18:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think this userbox should stay. Homelessness with internet access is entirely possible these days. --Overand
- Public libraries? Net cafes? And that's just dealing with people who are actually on the streets, and not the many, many homeless who are based on someone's front room floor. Having been briefly homeless in London, I can tell you that 24 hour net cafes are a cheap and relatively safe place to spend the night, and totally Wikipedia-equipped. Vashti 18:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- hmm, dunno, probably by use of a public computer lab. lol. --Prometheuspan 00:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep as per Overand, Vashti, Shultz. also, homeless indivdules would be some of the most qualified to edit articles relating to homelessness... just a note, this Speedy Keep post was made from a computer in the Homeless Shelter where I work (Its a slow night...) Mike McGregor (Can) 09:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, no harm, actually relevant to building an encyclopaedia (not that I consider that necessary) if vandals add it to someone's user page there's this thing we do called reversion. --Malthusian (talk) 11:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, discourage use as a joke so that it will actually have some value to the project. -- nae'blis (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Its harmless - • | Đܧ§§Ť | • T | C 16:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as possibly useful. A question for the nominator: what sort of changes would make it seem less offensive to you? Michael Slone (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep - If someone is going around plastering this on people's user pages ban the offender. The box itself is fine.--God of War 01:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep - Userbox is harmless, lighten up people. --Dragon695 03:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- I hope it stays, but i'd rather see a tent than a shopping cart. There are two types of "homeless" in my opinion, the first kind is the one everybody presumes. The second kind gets less press and attention because if you saw them on the street, you probably wouldn't know they were homeless. High functioning homeless people tend to have very different issues and reasons than low functioners. They sometimes like to differentiate themselves as being "Houseless". --Prometheuspan 00:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, keep. Moved the previous comment out of the section lower down, too. Vashti 03:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, harmless. Halibutt 11:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy keep Mikkerpikker ... 19:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep per Mike McGregor, and I must say I don't understand the nomination. --James S. 03:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- comment I woulden't mind seeing the picture changed to somthing less sterotypical though... maybe no picture. just a thought.Mike McGregor (Can) 11:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC) - (moved from inside closure box below -- Dalbury(Talk) 11:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC))
- Delete all userboxes. This vote brought to you by the Userbox Deletionist Cabal. --Cyde Weys 20:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, it's amusing and harmless. – Doug Bell talk•contrib 22:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, cannot see any means to insult homeless, homeless people are not all poor, some are campers, mobile campers, backpackers.GSPbeetle complains Vandalisms 10:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, i met people who are homeless but still go to internet cafes, for example to look for a home or job.Mutante23 15:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep per God of War. Everyone has a right to declare their own identity. How about an image of a house with the "universal no" (red circle & line across) logo? Her Pegship 23:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Change of image would be a marked improvement though. Mystache 03:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. --Lukobe 06:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- New image How about this?
Her Pegship 22:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC) - Image comment That looks like a "no bread" sign. How about making an image that doesn't look so ambiguous? --Shultz 22:42, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- New image part deux Shultz is right; I had to laugh. How about...this one? Image:Homeless2.jpg Her Pegship 00:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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