Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 August 23

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Danger (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

• Delete. Violates Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates guideline and does not fall under its exception: You can not "un-read" a spoiler after reading it but you can choose to not ghost ride after reading about ghost riding. If you want to dissuade readers from hazardous activities, just have the article include information on the number of deaths and injuries caused by the activity, or other information about hazards. GunnarRene 23:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. --Swift 00:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per GunnarRene. ~ PseudoSudo 00:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per GunnarRene. --Interiot 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No disclaimers. —Mira 01:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• DeleteWikipedia is an open, free encyclopedia, not a child-friendly book pasted in warning stickers. SteveSims 03:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete That something is dangerous can be mentioned in the article if it can be cited as so and the information is encyclopedic. HighInBC 17:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, against a core Wikipedia policy. Additionally, it violates WP:BEANS; the What links here is a list of activities stupid people can try one by one until they manage to kill themselves. --Cyde Weys 05:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, blatantly violates NPOV by advising readers to do something (or not do it). Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 16:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's very uncessary. The average person does not need to be warned that something is dangerous. --Edgelord 21:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete disclaimer. Neil916 (Talk) 05:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per above-mentioned violations of WP policies. Prolog 06:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Illegal_US (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

It is unnecessary to indicate whether or not the contents of an article pertains to something illegal in the US. This template is frivilous. Klaser 22:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: It may also be worth including Template:danger, made by the same author. Wikipedia is not in the habit of providing disclaimers. -- nae'blis 22:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I, as the author of both templates, thought of them not as disclaiers but as falling under the same rule as plot spoiler warnings. That is a good faith warning that the text may provide information which might "Ruin things [for the reader]." I can, however, see how this template may be perceived as a disclaimer-though it was not intended as such. Signature^brendel 22:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Please understand that I'm not disputing your good faith effort in making these. It's just that there's very few exceptions to the "no disclaimers" guideline, and even spoiler warnings are disputed. If the consensus is that they're valuable/valid to keep, so be it. -- nae'blis 23:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• It's better to just discuss legality in the article content. In most academic writings I think there is a great deal of discussion of activities that are illegal and I think a template is just unnecessary. --Woogums 22:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. --Swift 00:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I believe your good intentions, but let's avoid systematic bias. Or we could start putting "illegal in Germany" on lots of NS related articles (the NS flag) and "illegal in China" on lots of democracy/censorship related articles - you get the idea. CharonX/talk 00:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No disclaimers. —Mira 01:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Agreed with above. Benwing 02:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is an open, free encyclopedia, not a child-friendly book pasted in warning stickers.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SteveSims (talk • contribs) .
• Delete per all of the above that agree with "delete." --physicq210 00:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, against a core Wikipedia policy. Additionally, it violates WP:BEANS; the What links here is a list of activities stupid people can try one by one until they manage to kill themselves. --Cyde Weys 05:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Good intentions but not this way. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 17:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Per Above. Topher0128 00:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete disclaimer. Neil916 (Talk) 05:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deletion of both. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:CompactTOC7 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), Template:CompactTOC7a (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

CompactTOC7 made obsolete by my changes to {{CompactTOC6}} and CompactTOC7a obsoleted by my changes to {{CompactTOC3}}. Replaced all instances of use with CompactTOC3/CompactTOC6 as appropriate, suggest deletion of these templates. BigNate37_(T) 21:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:CompactTOC7 and Template:CompactTOC7a discussions merged on advice of Swift (talk · contribs). BigNate37_(T) 21:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, but only once documentation of extra parameters is provided on the template talk pages. Thryduulf 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Add documentation. (Might I suggest you join the two TfDs together? They are similar enough.) --Swift 00:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I've documented the usage of the replacement templates on their talk pages, Template talk:CompactTOC3 and Template talk:CompactTOC6. I'd appreciate feedback; I don't normally write documentation but I think I explained everything pertinent. BigNate37_(T) 21:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Db-web (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

There is no speedy delete criterion that allows for the deletion of non-notable websites (not a group, club, band or person). Therefore this template is unhelpful, shall we say, clouding CAT:CSD and making things harder and deletions slower. ➨ ЯEDVERS 20:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, unless the CSD themselves are modified to include websites. --Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 21:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Or modify CSD. --Swift 00:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. Those interested in having A7 changed, please weigh in on . --Swift 00:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  Or rather, Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Expanding A7 now (newer part of the page). -- nae'blis 21:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The template cites A7, which does not apply; highly misleading. ~ PseudoSudo 00:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. But I'd enthusiastically support modifying A7 to enable the restoration of this template. VoiceOfReason 19:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for now but I would not have any predjuice against recreation if A7 is changed. In fact I think that may actually be a good idea. --Edgelord 21:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, blank and mark as deprecated (or put in a message about db-web not being a real criterion, like the old db-spam before that was deleted for some reason in the middle of a tfd). No point in deleting it, since it might have to be recreated in a few months, and we can use it to inform people that db-web doesn't exist in the meantime. --Rory096 00:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to prod ... since that's really what you should use in the case of a non-notable website ... and, as Rory096 correctly pointed out, if there isn't something there, it's just going to get recreated. BigDT 03:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

  {{deletedpage}} ~ PseudoSudo 00:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

  If you put {{deletedpage}} on a template, I hope it's noincluded properly! --ais523 11:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete this already. I think it should be a valid CSD, but it's not, and keeps being used anyway. Salt the page if needed. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 07:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I know, it's not in the CSD. I used it under the assumption that this was an acceptable bending of the policy, but now it's clear that it's not. (|-- UlTiMuS 23:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete misleading. Yeah, would make a good SD criterion (if a bit harsh), but "just make a db-foo template" isn't a good way to make SD policies in my opinion =) Keeping or redirecting this would just be confusing. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 17:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Redir to prod, to help get the message across that that's what should be done in this situation. When the big red SUBST ME message comes up, it will be substed and noone will be any the wiser that the db tag was used first. --ais523 11:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Remix (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Single use template, redundant with {{Infobox Television}}. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 17:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. --Swift 19:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Subpage (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This template doesn't seem to be used (no references to it except on User:Authorknitter ... where it is used incorrectly). The template adds no substantial benefits to readers or editors. The template's effect can just as easily be achieved by typing [[/Subpage]] which produces /Subpage. Swift 11:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete --Swift 11:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, not only that, but subpages are considered obsolete and/or harmful. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 17:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

  Just to clarify for the record: subpages are disabled in articlespace as a result of a style decision; they currently are in wide use in projectspace, userspace and others. ~ PseudoSudo 00:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was to just barely keep. RyanGerbil10(Kick 'em in the dishpan!) 06:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Suicide Circle (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This template serves no purpose. It is supposed to contain links for the Suicide Club series of films, but as there are only two, plus a novel (the comic is not listed), it seems that it would be easier to put the links under "see also" (which I have done). Furthermore, the majority of the contents of the template are related articles (some of which are very far afield), and those certainly don't belong in a template. MSJapan 13:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. --Swift 19:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep; I made it so I obviously will say that. I mean, I made it seeing how there're short movie series templates like this one, and the related topics bit's idea I got from the BR one... and they're not "far afield"; the movies are about those =S. As for the manga, I was going to make it... but... whatever. --User:Revoish 23:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the first two sections and add the comic if it is relevant. The "related articles" section should be deleted however and replaced with inline links from the article to show how they are related. Thryduulf 23:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted by WAvegetarian on 21:10, August 22, 2006 (content was: {{{1}}}'s life is in the crapper.) -- nae'blis 22:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Crapper (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

I'm sorry your life is in the crapper, but surely you can find a better way of expressing it. VoiceOfReason 01:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• I just nominated it for speedy, because this is definately not worth a tfd. GeorgeMoney (talk) 01:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

And its gone so we can close this now. --Edgelord 19:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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