Talk:Temporary Services

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhooker1236 (talk • contribs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.12.137 (talk • contribs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhooker1236 (talk • contribs)

As for the suggestion that this article be deleted. Firstly I only know of Temp Services and have never worked with them. Secondly the idea that a collective is of no significant interest because it is headed up by 3 people is silly. How large must a artist collective be to be worth knowing about? Would 5 people be large enough? Is a sinle artist of note worthy? Selecting a number of 3 as too small is utterly arbitary.

As for the significance of insignificance of this collective, they have produced a number of art shows in Chicago and around the world. They have been featured in a number of major news paper including the LA Times. They have produced a great deal of content and work to advocate civil liberties and human rights in Chicago and around the world.

A Google search on the site and the members returns 370+ results, mostly news releases.

I will just add that if this site is deleted, after all the years of work and effort Temporary Services has done and the fact they are referenced on the artists collective site, I will stop ever reading or referencing Wikipedia. I notice that Jorn Barger, who only coined a term "Web Log" and has a history of hate speech, has a massive page, the there is a massive entry on commerical brands like "Klingon" and the a former company I worked at LogicaCMG has a page that was produced by the companies PR department.

But in giving the benefit of the doubt to who ever posted this I have added links to significant news stories. This adds little to the article but shows the large "real world" footprint that this group has.

The suggestion to delete was based on the groups apparent non-notability not the size of its membership -- that bit was simply copy-pasted from "lede" of the article (which for some unexplained reason comes after a member list and PO box address! Perhaps you could take a few minutes to edit the article into a more wiki-like format?). Ewlyahoocom 19:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

So do you go around all day deleting posts because the ordering is not wiki-right? A suggestion of edit changes would be appropriate, an effort to delete the post was pathetic and sad given the fact these artists have actually done something with their talents which has gained them significant reputation in the arts circle in Chicago and even in Europe.

I would suggest you make notes to format the information and not try to force a delete, that was well beyond all the bounds of wiki-ness. The greatest danger to wikipedia is a wave of pointless deletions like this one sir. If wikipedia will survive the coming challenges from Googles upcoming collaboration effort it will not be from a bunch of deletes imposed on significant artists.

As for keeping your wiki-like energy busy, again I suggest you visit LogicaCMG, a company I have some experience with. Their post is simply a restatement of a PR release. It is rather long and they are a company of billions in revenue involved in some serious issues concering outsourcing. Maybe rather than trying to remove people who have earned a small entry in Wikipedia you could do some real work finding large corporations which are abusing wikipedia everyday.

Thank you very much.

Again, the suggestion to delete was based on the apparent non-notability of the group. The non-wikiness of the formatting only contributes to the impression that the text is simply copy-pasted from another source (including a postal address further suggests that this is a "vanity page"). In any case, when you saw the prod tag you surely read this bit: "If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so." Since you seem to be doing that I'm not exactly sure what you're complaining about. Ewlyahoocom 18:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You may find this amazing but some people don't have the time to read each and every Wikipedia post they make every day. What you did was NOT to make some suggestions, nor did you do any investigation, you moved to delete for the stated purpose that the group was of 3 members. Fortunately for the group of artists involved, none of them particularly skilled at Wikipedia and all ethically unwilling to edit a post about them, I happened to be between business engagements and was able to see that this groups post had been exposed to this naked threat, from which you have retreated in something less than an entirely honest fashion. If I had been away for a week it would have been deleted because of your paranoid assumption that any post you don't feel to meet your definition of wiki-ness IS a vanity page not backed up by the simplist search on google of the group and their activity.

These 3 individuals are very innovative artists with a growing repuation, in fact they have actually done something of historic note, most noted is their large collection of the inventions of persons in prision and their extensive documentation of that. As of today a full wiki-like entry of their excellent work is lacking, but I think you will notice I organised the information more wiki-like and added a large number of references to articles concerning the group to back up their validity.

I have taken you advice to heart and worked on the site, and I would have been far happier if it had first come as a note on the page rather than the agressive process of placing a short fuse delete bomb on the site. If you are not sure about why someone would complain that YOU decided to take actions to delete the entry of a group that has done so much for the artist and is gaining so much recognition than it is simply obvious that you are either not making an effort to understand or are unable to understand.

I would suggest in the future you use a less violent means to raise issues with posts you are not sure about. My complaint is that you seem to censure first.

As for the members of Temp Services, unlike you and I they have much more important things to do than concern themselves with Wikipedia, but as a avid fan of their I think their work to expand and reshape the postmodern art movement is atleast as important of note as the fact someone is raising their child learning the Klingon language, that Jorn Barger was interest in the mind before he became an avid anti-semite, or that the Logica CMG merger is clearly work to promote the company, all items I have read in Wikipedia.

Thank you very much

These are the guys that did the collection of prison inventions? I've actually heard of that (assuming it's the same one). IT'S A SHAME THAT THE ARTICLE DOESN'T MENTION IT. Ewlyahoocom 05:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

There are very busy people in this world with more to do than just edit Wikipedia pages.

But I see no point in this degrading in to a flame war, entirely on my part. On closer consideration I respect those of you who have taken the time to make Wikipedia a definitive source. I hope you can understand my "confusion" when a small entry for a great group was scheduled for deletion.

I am hoping to get accurate enough information from the members to the team to expand the entry as more than just a reference. I appreciate the feedback you have given and when I have more time I will expand the entry. Also I am sure that the people at Temp Services, not well versed in Wikipedia, would be more than happy if someone of your skill was to expand the entry. Their information is on the Internet and they would be more than happy to have new information added and formatted by an expert such as yourself rather than a busy novice such as myself. I would also be more than pleased with any constructive advice on making this more wikipedia like.

If that is not possible perhaps you could point me to a page properly Wikied that you are familiar with for an organisation and I can make changes.

Thank You.