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[edit] Telecommunication

Hi Light current,

Please stop reverting the talk page at telecommunication. None of the issues from the old talk page seem relevant to the current article (which is why they have been archived). If there is a particular issue you feel is still relevant just copy it across from the archive.

Cedars 05:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no reason at all to archive. It tends to hide what people have said recently. But of course if thats your intention....8-(--Light current 13:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

--Djhbrown (talk) 04:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC) style suggestion: it might make easier reading if hyperlinks were used only for subject-specific content, eg not for countries mentioned etc.

Yes. See WP:OVERLINK.
Another good idea: don't reply talk items that are over one year old. ;^} Dicklyon (talk) 04:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Radio and TV

Radio and TV are not telecommunication as signals only pass one way. These are broadcast systems. Your defn specifies exchange of info.

The word telecommunication was adapted from the French word télécommunication. It is a compound of the Greek prefix tele- (τηλε-), meaning 'far off', and communication, meaning 'exchange of information'.[2]

my bolding --Light current 15:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The definition you highlighted was that of communication. If your argument was accepted this would make your term "broadcast communication" an oxymoron. I would suggest broadcast communication is a subset of telecommunications as implied in the article. Both broadcast and point-to-point communication are based on similar technical foundations. Cedars 00:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I meant broadcast systems. --Light current 00:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Look changing what you have written to substantiate some argument you are attempting to make is not going to work. The discussion of broadcast communication fits within the telecommunication article. Can you not think of any other suggestions on how to improve the article? Cedars 00:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Broadcast communication" an oxymoron--Light current 01:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Broadcast communication is widely used (see Haykin). There is no need to remove this content. Cedars 01:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you give more info on Haykin?--Light current 03:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Haykin, Simon (2001). Communication Systems, 4th edition, John Wiley & Sons, pp 1—3. ISBN 0-471-17869-1. 

[edit] Improvement plan

To try to get this article upto GA status, I suggest we first remove all refs to TV and radio!--Light current 23:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I would rather we did not. Cedars 00:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Y not?--Light current 00:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

See comments above. Cedars 00:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I think radio and TV have to go! If you can justify keeping them in accordance with the defn on the page, then I will be pleased to let them stay. Otherwise.. tick... tick--Light current 01:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Great. I've already done that so there will be no need to remove the content. I was worried this might turn out to be like electrical engineering. Cedars 01:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, in retrospect, I hate arguing with you. It really makes Wikipedia no fun to work on at all. The problem as I see it is, be it electrical engineering or telecommunications, there is no concrete definition of the term. So try to think of a way both our viewpoints can be represented in the article. Removing all the radio and television would only result in more edit wars - which would really suck. Cedars 01:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Well my definition and most peoples is that telcomms does not include broadcast radio and TV. Why not set up a poll to find out?--Light current 03:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to have a poll. I want to write a good article. But if you want to write an alternate version of the page, I guess we can put it to a poll. Cedars 05:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Lets wait for a few more comments from others first. 8-|--Light current 05:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, reading the article more carefully, I think we only need to remove the bits about TV as the radio bit is about proper 2 way comms!.--Light current 05:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Eh, just a suggestion here. I was expecting some bit on information theory. After all, this is the industry it was conceived for.... I think you should talk about the theoretical framework of this field, maybe make a "theory" section and just give a little blurb, you have a link on the bottom to the subject but I don't believe it is justice to it.. it's a big thing you're missing here, imo. Timw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.221.41 (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Telecommunication: a definition

The following is the definition of telecommunication from the New Oxford American Dicitonary (in full and unedited):

“ telecommunication |ˌteləkəˌmyoōniˈkā sh ən| noun

communication over a distance by cable, telegraph, telephone, or broadcasting.

  • ( telecommunications) [treated as sing. ] the branch of technology concerned with such communication.
  • formal a message sent by such means.

ORIGIN 1930s: from French télécommunication, from télé- ‘at a distance’ + communication ‘communication.’

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This dictionary comes standard with Mac OS X (which is why I use it). You'll notice that it explicitly includes broadcasting. It is also the same source Light current quoted in his original commentary on the issue. I hope this now puts this issue to rest. Cedars 09:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

In that case, the definition (etymology para) on the page needs altering because it specifically mentions it has to be 2 way comms!--Light current 13:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Cedars 15:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Layout & organisation

I think this page needs to be organised as a summary page--Light current 14:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

No thanks. Cedars 01:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Why not?--Light current 01:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

There's simply no reason to. Telecommunication is a core topic, so the article should stand alone. The article was built over several months during which time no dissent was expressed over its direction. I am open to listening to ideas for change, but huge changes are probably not helpful. Cedars 03:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahh. Hmmm! Is getting rather large tho isnt it?--Light current 20:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination

Very nice article--it seems to have been waiting altogether too long to be reviewed! It looks very good to me. The only thing that seems slightly odd is the way that the lead sentence of the second paragraph seems to have very little to do with the rest of the paragraph. When that is fixed, there'll be nothing stopping it from passing. MLilburne 11:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

You might want to think about giving that second paragraph a section of its own, in fact. I'm not entirely sure it belongs in the lead. MLilburne 11:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason satellite communications are not mentioned at all? Seems like a pretty important part in general communication systems these days. - Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.152.20.33 (talk) 23:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead image

Hi all,

The lead image was contributed by another user and I think it really livens up an article that would otherwise have no lead image. Please consider leaving it in place. Or, if you have a different opinion, discuss it here.

Cedars 05:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the lead image serves no purpose. No information is contained in either the picture or its associated caption. It is not the case that any image is better than no image. THis is not a magazine!--Light current 00:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
In this case I feel it benefits the aesthetics of the article. I will try to modify the caption to make it more relevant to the article. But since you have no problem with having no lead image, does that mean we can remove both images from the electrical engineering article? Cedars 10:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
No those images are informative. THis one isnt--Light current 15:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Telecommunications regulation

I think it's important to have a small section on the regulation of telecommunications activities or (if it already exists somewhere else in Wikipedia) at least a link to a page on that subject. Telecommunications activities were opened to competition in the 1990s and the resulting regulation (eg break-up of AT&T in the US, creation of national regulators in the European Union) is a major event in telecommunications history which allowed today's mobile and Internet explosions.

Probably also a section on major telecommunications operators (fixed, mobile, vertically integrated, horizontally integrated...). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.115.41.103 (talk) 19:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Volume

I'd be interested in having an idea about the volume of calls and emails made in the United States. Brian Pearson 15:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this would be interesting data - especially when considering not only the US but looking at such information from a global perspective. Does someone know any relevant sources that deal with such a matter? Winston.PL 20:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Satellites

Is this article somehow missing any mention of communications satellites? (sdsds - talk) 08:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

If there was a purposeful exclusion, it may be because communications satellites are just relay stations in effect. There's mention of relay stations, but no direct link to a broader article. The "microwave radio relay" article, that "relay station" is redirected to, mentions satellites, but doesn't cover direct current relay stations that were used for morse code telegraph. Perhaps it should be renamed and expanded to at least include the history of the broader subject. Oicumayberight (talk) 21:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)