Talk:Tekoa (village)
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[edit] Chief Rabbi of Tekoa
FYI, the chief rabbi of every city, town, and village are important and significant, even more so in the settlements. Most might be NN enough for a seperate article, but again, most are very important public figures alongside the mayor. And above all rabbis to claim are not encyclopedia worthy, Rabbi Froman has definitely done enough to be notable in his own right. --Shuki 18:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- Chief Rabbis/Vicars/Priests/Imans/whatever are not notable, just as neither are all the town's councillors and the coach of the local football team who are also important figures in a place's life. Secondly, you must stop putting misleading edit summaries. Writing that something was blanked suggests that the whole article was blanked. Number 57 20:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- More proof that you do not know how settlements work or what makes religious Jews tick. Or maybe you're trying to make a point? AGF... --Shuki 20:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- This is not an encyclopedia for religious people, it is an encyclopedia for the general public, and to the public at large, a town's mayor is pretty much the only non-widely known person worth mentioning in an article, plus Tekoa is not even a religious settlement. And I know perfectly well how settlements work; people build on land that isn't theirs and then harass nearby Palestinians and UN officials! Number 57 11:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for proving that you are making a WP:POINT. Listing the chief rabbi of a locality is significant. Many settlement chief rabbis are quite notable, many are not with regard to having seperate articles, but adding them to other articles is not. If 'your' opinion was true, then you I suggest you go clean up WP from minor rabbis listed in various articles, but your consistant inability to maintain NPOV with regard to Israeli settlements has been documented (again above) and that's your motive. The absurdity of this is that the rabbi you are trying to delete here might even be identified with some of your positions. --Shuki 19:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- First of all, how am I making a point about the illegality of the settlements by removing the name of the settlement's rabbi? That I am doing on a purely not notable basis. Furthermore, I am free to make my opinions on settlements known on talk pages. The difference is that unlike a significant number of regular contributors to Israel and Palestinian-related articles, I do not let it spill over into the articles themselves. If you really want to attack someone for POV, I suggest you look at some of the pro-Israel contributors instead; whilst editors like PalestineRemembered are definitely not friendly to Israel, they tend to actually put in referenced facts, but sadly the same cannot be said about many pro-Israel editors, who just go round deleting facts that make Israel look bad, or attaching citation needed tags to blatantly obvious stuff. As a self-professed neutral, it is definitely the pro-Israel lot who are the more guilty of POV round here. Number 57 19:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- And can you actually point out a POV edit I have made on an article about Israeli settlements? If you can, then I will graciously apologise, as there is no shame in being wrong. Of course, I expect the same from you if you cannot find such an edit :) Number 57 19:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- The removal of the name of THE village rabbi and subsequent justificaton on the talk page is explicit POV. The talk page is not an internet chat forum, please keep your opinion to yourself and read this "They should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views." and more here: Wikipedia:Talk page.
- Again, your personal experiences (POV) should not influence the information deemed notable in an article and the vehement hate of settlements does not prove otherwise. Can you prove that Tekoa residents harass UN officials, or are you merely slandering them all with one incident by two individuals? Your misunderstanding of Jewish, rabbinical, and settler issues should actually be a sign to not edit these kinds of articles. There is nothing unencyclopedic of listing the current chief rabbis of cities, towns, villages, and yeshivas. This is pertinent information that A) might not be widely known, B) again, quite significant in many localities. And of all examples to try and create a precedent, Rabbi Menachem Froman was a foolish choice. Get over it, move along...--Shuki 22:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- So you couldn't actually find a POV edit then? I'll stop editing settlement articles as soon as my opinion starts appearing in them, or when editors who already do POV edits on them (e.g. Yehospiat Oliver) retire from Wikipedia.
- Anyway, I'll be gracious and admit I was wrong about Froman's notability given the article you have written (and how dare you accuse me of WP:POINT after creating it!), but I still don't believe that every town rabbi is notable. Number 57 06:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- And can you actually point out a POV edit I have made on an article about Israeli settlements? If you can, then I will graciously apologise, as there is no shame in being wrong. Of course, I expect the same from you if you cannot find such an edit :) Number 57 19:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- First of all, how am I making a point about the illegality of the settlements by removing the name of the settlement's rabbi? That I am doing on a purely not notable basis. Furthermore, I am free to make my opinions on settlements known on talk pages. The difference is that unlike a significant number of regular contributors to Israel and Palestinian-related articles, I do not let it spill over into the articles themselves. If you really want to attack someone for POV, I suggest you look at some of the pro-Israel contributors instead; whilst editors like PalestineRemembered are definitely not friendly to Israel, they tend to actually put in referenced facts, but sadly the same cannot be said about many pro-Israel editors, who just go round deleting facts that make Israel look bad, or attaching citation needed tags to blatantly obvious stuff. As a self-professed neutral, it is definitely the pro-Israel lot who are the more guilty of POV round here. Number 57 19:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for proving that you are making a WP:POINT. Listing the chief rabbi of a locality is significant. Many settlement chief rabbis are quite notable, many are not with regard to having seperate articles, but adding them to other articles is not. If 'your' opinion was true, then you I suggest you go clean up WP from minor rabbis listed in various articles, but your consistant inability to maintain NPOV with regard to Israeli settlements has been documented (again above) and that's your motive. The absurdity of this is that the rabbi you are trying to delete here might even be identified with some of your positions. --Shuki 19:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- This is not an encyclopedia for religious people, it is an encyclopedia for the general public, and to the public at large, a town's mayor is pretty much the only non-widely known person worth mentioning in an article, plus Tekoa is not even a religious settlement. And I know perfectly well how settlements work; people build on land that isn't theirs and then harass nearby Palestinians and UN officials! Number 57 11:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- More proof that you do not know how settlements work or what makes religious Jews tick. Or maybe you're trying to make a point? AGF... --Shuki 20:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
