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[edit] Wikifying

This seems like self-promotion of a person who isn't notable. Move to remove page, perhaps submit as spam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.32.3.241 (talk) 14:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I tried wikifying, but its too interdependent. Its well done and readable, so wikifying would only be necessary for uniformity.

One thing I didn't like about him is complaining about Tim Berners-Lee work. Sure, it may not be as good as what he has in mind, but Berners-Lee's work is available now, unlike what he has in mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 02:43, 20 November 2005 UTC

I'm not sure I know what you mean. Would you like the article to have subsections? --TuukkaH 21:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
In terms of your commentary on his dislike of Tim Berners-Lee, there are legit reasons. I would cite them, but I don't have the books around currently. In Weaving_the_Web, Tim Berners-Lee admits that he technically stole Literary Machines, and also (iirc) that he never read it all the way through. He also admits that he was overly simplifying the idea of Hypertext due to technical reasons, which Project_Xanadu successfully circumvented, and that he himself realizes that his designs were a kluge. I don't have the book with me, but if you look Xanadu and Nelson, Theodore Holm in the index, you will come to the requisite pages. I would mention in the entry itself, but as I cannot cite it at the moment, my edits wouldn't stand. I'd much appriciate if someone could find the exact bits for me and stick the info in, since I lack the physical copy. On a more personal note, I have played with the circa 1998 xanadu implementations (Udanax Green) and I have read the FeBe manual, and I prefer the as-implemented design of xu88 to the web. There ARE technical issues, but they are of a different nature; it's a philosophy difference between solid design and rushed implementation, and rushed design and solid implementation. Also, several alternate implementations of the xanadu concepts have been built (not by XOC or any Nelson-affilated organizations), and these are often more stable than XOC's own demos in my experience. [1] has some examples of such things, and there are others that I have personally worked on (so my statements may be a little biased). --John Ohno 12:13, 06 March 2008 (GMT)

[edit] citation for Ted's 4 maxims

It says "[citation needed]" by the statement that << Ted Nelson promotes four maxims: "most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong". >>; But I noticed that, according to http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/nelson.html [1] it gives a source for a very similar quote, in this remark about Ted Nelson: << He often repeats his four maxims by which he leads his life: "most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong." >>. It lists the source as a hyperlink (Wolf, 1995), pointing to "http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/references.html#wolf", [1a] which says this:

 Wolf, G. "The Curse of Xanadu." , June 1995. Avaialble at:
 http://www.wired.com/wired/archive//3.06/xanadu_pr.html

So then I proceeded to http://www.wired.com/wired/archive//3.06/xanadu_pr.html [2] and there, it says: "On his long walk home, he came up with the four maxims that have guided his life: most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong. Nelson loves these maxims and repeats them often."

(these are the 3rd and 4th sentences of a 5-sentence paragraph, the 3rd paragraph of "C H A P T E R T W O", at [2]). How should the artticle be updated, to supply the "[citation needed]"? Should there be a reference to [1] or [1a]? Or, just to [2]? (also - - is [2] authoritative enough?) Thanks, Mike Schwartz 02:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

umm (20:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)) I went ahead and added the citation. Maybe it would be better if the stuff about which chapter, sentence, and paragraph went down in to the "References" section, instead of up near the top of the article. But I think it is a step up from still saying "[citation needed]". Mike Schwartz 20:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thrust

"teledildonics. The main thrust of his work". Was that really necessary?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.82.81 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 23 January 2006 UTC

[edit] Year of Birth

The top line says he was born in 1939, but it's born-year-category is 1937. I don't know which is true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.21.54.4 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 26 February 2006 UTC

[edit] Needs Picture of Ted Nelson

I would be great to have a picture of Ted Nelson. In the best case a picture from the 1960s when he wrote some of the first hypertext stuff and a more recent one. --Ben Houston 21:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Year of birth

According to IMDb, Nelson's parents were married from 1938 - 1939, so it is unlikely he was born in 1937. --karas 05:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, according to his mother's page (Celeste Holm), she married in 1938, so the chances are he was not born in 1937, but in 1939. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Queereyes (talk • contribs) 10:54, July 10, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)